Orcinus, Octopus raid bosses books.

[Ivoo 50]

Hi

 

What im worried about,that doesnt seem balanced is 2 Books that once got nerfed but still got very high % for being passive book. 

 

For example if you use Orcinus book on the chieftain, and unlocked all key talents and got some cooldown reduction,scroll.

1. You can have longer resistance than cooldown of the skill so basically (Permament) 

2. High duration of rugged, passive, relics. 

also you cant die when you got shaman healing on you. 

3. With perma resistance you can walk everywhere without getting stunned. (Well if 30-50+ opponents hit you with auto attacks you cant walk much but can vast rugged and other skills. 

 

For example if Healer using octopus book with lifeforce etc,castle scroll.  

 

He got insane healing from lifeforce, skills even apathy wont be able to help much, also when you cant stun him, he keeps buffing himself and stay maximum health points. Okay maybe if you go 3 vs 1 you beat him. 

 

So what u suggest. 

 

First of all we all know passive books normal %

from 3 to 10%

and its already good buffs for get from passive books, but if you watch orcinus, octopus books their % is about 50.

Just passive book with so high % and insane buff basically. 

I suggest to reduce them to 10-15% 

because 1-2 second debuff, buffs are still alot for character, because there is alot buffing skills, and debuffs. or keep it 50% and make there cooldown like for distortion of life effect. 

 

There is always on every  server one side who most of time dominate raid bosses, and how you can deal with them if they got already 5-10 of them for strong aoe classes. its very difficult for get new players arena equipment against them, win war buffs, Raid bosses, even GvG. 

 

 

Please keep passive books as some buffs for character, but not make them overpowered. 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by Ivoo

[Higgings 1826]

You gotta keep in mind that we're speaking about priceless books dropped once every several months. Furthermore,  they got nerfed already if we think about the fact that we started from a maximum of 80% of effect (unreachable anyway but de facto it's a cap) to 50%. 

[Santa Claus 173]

Still that doesnt mean its not unbalanced .

[coldravens 174]

Here we go again, there is roman about this blow down in this section, 3-4 people have the most rarest books in game and people lose there minds, well for the 10th time they are supposed to be that broken after all 1 drop a year if you nerf them what's the point to figth over those bosses, this is typical "I don't have it so its broken and need to be nerfed to the ground" , those books are guild effort and guild management if group of people can successfully farm and defend the boss which ress 1 time per day then they deserve to have such power.

 

P.s tanky merman armors are much much more broken but none complain cuz its much easier to obtain them and everyone have them.

[Ivoo 50]

10 hours ago, Higgings said:

You gotta keep in mind that we're speaking about priceless books dropped once every several months. Furthermore,  they got nerfed already if we think about the fact that we started from a maximum of 80% of effect (unreachable anyway but de facto it's a cap) to 50%. 

There is more rare book which is the new rage one, but this % aint too 50%, also has cd and not overpowered so why they should be?. also each server is mostly dominated by elf side on raids, overpopulation, when elves using theese books how mc side able to get pvp sets?, only eu server is monopolized and YinYang getting theese books thanks for Elf strongest guild support, and Apparently YinYang dont use theese books vs them either so, tell me how newbies able to win stuff vs orci octopus books opponents, just pvp set aint enough even if book was nerfed to 10% people still would farm it because its still strong and removing debuff / and adding longer duration to skills. 

40 minutes ago, coldravens said:

Here we go again, there is roman about this blow down in this section, 3-4 people have the most rarest books in game and people lose there minds, well for the 10th time they are supposed to be that broken after all 1 drop a year if you nerf them what's the point to figth over those bosses, this is typical "I don't have it so its broken and need to be nerfed to the ground" , those books are guild effort and guild management if group of people can successfully farm and defend the boss which ress 1 time per day then they deserve to have such power.

 

P.s tanky merman armors are much much more broken but none complain cuz its much easier to obtain them and everyone have them.

After all, what is your goals for this game, to get book what makes you immortal, and then you win everything 24/7? is this point of the game? if you never want to lose or get game difficult, or balanced where is the fun? 

[Higgings 1826]

1 hour ago, Ivoo said:

also has cd and not overpowered so why they should be?

 

Because they are different books. They have to be obtained in different ways and they act differently in PvP/PvE scenarios.

 

1 hour ago, Ivoo said:

also each server is mostly dominated by elf side on raids, overpopulation, when elves using theese books how mc side able to get pvp sets?, only eu server is monopolized and YinYang getting theese books thanks for Elf strongest guild support, and Apparently YinYang dont use theese books vs them either so, tell me how newbies able to win stuff vs orci octopus books opponents

 

That shows another purpose of why these books should be nerfed according to you.

 

11 hours ago, Santa Claus said:

Still that doesnt mean its not unbalanced .

 

You can have one too. Kill those bosses and pray the RNG god to give you one. The second option is paying several hundreds millions to buy one. 

[Santa Claus 173]

6 minutes ago, Higgings said:

You can have one too. Kill those bosses and pray the RNG god to give you one. The second option is paying several hundreds millions to buy one. 

So how can f2p player be able to get this and be equal with those who are p2w. Other books doesnt even benefit as much as these 2 so they dont make actual problem. Octo book is direct counter to 95% classes and orcinus can be easily abused by some1 buffing that person or by buffing himself.

With those books in game we will never have balance bcs . Idk whose idea was to even add them to the already messed up game. U guys talk like its normal for 1 book to be able to do 50% decreased debuff or increased buffs . Those books would be also insane at 20% and they wouldnt be considered broken as they are right now . And those scrolls should be removed  or changed to 10% since i know every1 mention them when we talk about those books. 1 book making char from trash tier to god tier is insanely stupid and i dont even care how rare it is when only whales have acces to them

[Ivoo 50]

1 hour ago, Higgings said:

 

Because they are different books. They have to be obtained in different ways and they act differently in PvP/PvE scenarios.

 

 

That shows another purpose of why these books should be nerfed according to you.

 

 

You can have one too. Kill those bosses and pray the RNG god to give you one. The second option is paying several hundreds millions to buy one. 

Having them would be fun? maybe for few months yeah, but everything would be too easy with thoose books because buffs are still massive, having 10-20% of this buff would be enjoy able too and people could still rate this as good book and would farm it. 

[Higgings 1826]

1 hour ago, Santa Claus said:

So how can f2p player be able to get this and be equal with those who are p2w

 

Although this could be litterally applied to any content in game, I can answer this question in a way you most probably already imagine: with time, struggle and with the constant awareness that what you achieve in 4 months (optimistic guess) they will achieve in a week. Nerfing a book won't help you defeating a maxed character if you're facing him with PvE equips or even PvP +5 

 

For instance, I'm not taking your specific case. I don't even know where you're playing and what is your class nor it is relevant for the sake of the topic.

 

1 hour ago, Santa Claus said:

U guys talk like its normal for 1 book to be able to do 50% decreased debuff or increased buffs .

 

In no sentence of mine you're reading this. What I'm saying is that it is not normal for a book dropped once in a blue moon protecting you by a surprisinly low ammount. Those books are designed to be broken because of their rarity and it's not player's fault if they just use them for their own benefit. It is what it is. Here again you can make 2 decisions: dropping one by yourself or simply wait until one of devs - one day - will decide to nerf (or even buff further) these books. And even then you will hear complaints, because of the general inaccessibility of the book. Long story short, when it comes to very exclusive items nobody will ever be happy about them. Back in the days it was Signs of Imperishability, now sea books, tomorrow who knows what. 

 

18 minutes ago, Ivoo said:

Having them would be fun? maybe for few months yeah, but everything would be too easy with thoose books because buffs are still massive, having 10-20% of this buff would be enjoy able too and people could still rate this as good book and would farm it. 

 

We could ask that to the direct interested people, if they would see it fun having a book they spent hundreds of milions being highly nerfed or if they're bored of playing a chatacter blessed by Sea Books. However, I personally imagine already the answer we would receive. The point of that is that you can't really "farm" these objects. It is a fight which takes place once every day with a ridiculously (but justified) low drop rate. It would be more understandable if this fight took place like x4 in a day or such. 

[Godless 43]

You suggest changing/nerfing the 2 rarest books in the game to mere scroll level just because you cant beat them or get said books for yourself? Also the point of resist skill being too powerful? It doesnt stay at 100% the whole time you should know this since you play chief too. Rugged is not perma on toto or bee the 2 orcibooked chiefs you speak of.

Also IF resist was perma chiefs would still get stagger from all the aoe and autos and wouldnt be able to move any faster or better than lets say barbarian with 4/4 resist skill and 7 yard charge.

 

ALSO its weird that you complaing about chiefs only here since Jaan has orci. Emoshaman has orci and Jay has orci but only place where you see problem is on chief?

Edited October 19, 2022 by legolad

[sandwitch 4]

14 hours ago, Higgings said:

You gotta keep in mind that we're speaking about priceless books dropped once every several months

Last month 3 orcinus book dropped. 🥲

[Ivoo 50]

38 minutes ago, legolad said:

You suggest changing/nerfing the 2 rarest books in the game to mere scroll level just because you cant beat them or get said books for yourself? Also the point of resist skill being too powerful? It doesnt stay at 100% the whole time you should know this since you play chief too. Rugged is not perma on toto or bee the 2 orcibooked chiefs you speak of.

Also IF resist was perma chiefs would still get stagger from all the aoe and autos and wouldnt be able to move any faster or better than lets say barbarian with 4/4 resist skill and 7 yard charge.

 

ALSO its weird that you complaing about chiefs only here since Jaan has orci. Emoshaman has orci and Jay has orci but only place where you see problem is on chief?

 

Im not talking about Eu server only, im suggesting to change it as @Higgingssaid only 4-5 of each server used it, it wouldnt hurt that much as did distortion of life nerf, this book was used by 100 or more people from each server, its better to balance it and make it as passive buff bonus like all rare books , before more drops are coming and more people value it.

 

Prices of books equipment always changing alot people wasted millions for distortion of life etc too, but only some really bought orcinus octopus books. 

[Godless 43]

2 minutes ago, Ivoo said:

 

Im not talking about Eu server only, im suggesting to change it as @Higgingssaid only 4-5 of each server used it, it wouldnt hurt that much as did distortion of life nerf, this book was used by 100 or more people from each server, its better to balance it and make it as passive buff bonus like all rare books , before more drops are coming and more people value it.

 

Prices of books equipment always changing alot people wasted millions for distortion of life etc too, but only some really bought orcinus octopus books. 

Distortion of life is in principle very different book since it was able grant you immortality regardless of the class you play. The books in discussion can not make any class that uses them inheritly ”immortal”

[Ivoo 50]

1 minute ago, legolad said:

Distortion of life is in principle very different book since it was able grant you immortality regardless of the class you play. The books in discussion can not make any class that uses them inheritly ”immortal”

 

Well if you read my first post you see how orcinus, octopus book work some class either and could work even with lowered % like 10-20% very well. 

[Higgings 1826]

8 minutes ago, legolad said:

grant you immortality

 

 

9 minutes ago, legolad said:

grant you the illusion of immortality

 

[Godless 43]

5 minutes ago, Ivoo said:

 

Well if you read my first post you see how orcinus, octopus book work some class either and could work even with lowered % like 10-20% very well. 

The key part here is they work different in each class benefitting them differently and yes orcinus book compliments chiefs very well due to 2 of their main defensive skills being applied durationial skills that extend from the effect of orcinus but lets slap that same book on a lets say blade dancer? They get benefit for strike hurricane 15% speed 25% cd at 4/4 and this skill is already perma or mark of the blade which is btw also perma at 4/4 giving 12% penetration and reducing dodge and parry of the opponent. My point here is that every class benefit from these books differently meanwhile EVERY other classless book give the same benefit for every class that they are used one and thus are simply less rare. Like distortion of life which you brought up that book was broken when it was first introduced and it was later nerfed to a point where some say its even useless to have. My opinion is that the distortion of life book is still good and useful but it gives EVERY player that uses it same value except maybe deathknight that has ls% bufffing aura. So why 2 books that were ALREADY nerfed, get a another nerf? Since the books are so few in across all servers that they dont make impact in massfights,gvgs their impact shows mainly just in arena and 1v1 (which is irrelevant in current state of the game)

[Ivoo 50]

2 minutes ago, legolad said:

The key part here is they work different in each class benefitting them differently and yes orcinus book compliments chiefs very well due to 2 of their main defensive skills being applied durationial skills that extend from the effect of orcinus but lets slap that same book on a lets say blade dancer? They get benefit for strike hurricane 15% speed 25% cd at 4/4 and this skill is already perma or mark of the blade which is btw also perma at 4/4 giving 12% penetration and reducing dodge and parry of the opponent. My point here is that every class benefit from these books differently meanwhile EVERY other classless book give the same benefit for every class that they are used one and thus are simply less rare. Like distortion of life which you brought up that book was broken when it was first introduced and it was later nerfed to a point where some say its even useless to have. My opinion is that the distortion of life book is still good and useful but it gives EVERY player that uses it same value except maybe deathknight that has ls% bufffing aura. So why 2 books that were ALREADY nerfed, get a another nerf? Since the books are so few in across all servers that they dont make impact in massfights,gvgs their impact shows mainly just in arena and 1v1 (which is irrelevant in current state of the game)

Honestly noone going to use it on characters who dont get use of it, and name 1 character for example who would not get use of octopus book?, why there even exist debuff skills while book break them all. Orcinus yeah you might not use it on necro and thats other reason, why most other classes get good use of it and necros cant win fights vs thoose opponents? if it was limited, or less % then full books necro might had change vs Chieftains with orcinus books, and some other classes. many stats are useless for different class, Healers dont need vamp, damagers dont need block, Tanks dont build dodge, but every book they got has also maximum 3-10%.

[Santa Claus 173]

Every book give 3-7 normal stat and then we have 2 that not only increase 1 stat it works on all skills

[Godless 43]

9 minutes ago, Ivoo said:

Honestly noone going to use it on characters who dont get use of it, and name 1 character for example who would not get use of octopus book?, why there even exist debuff skills while book break them all. Orcinus yeah you might not use it on necro and thats other reason, why most other classes get good use of it and necros cant win fights vs thoose opponents? if it was limited, or less % then full books necro might had change vs Chieftains with orcinus books, and some other classes. many stats are useless for different class, Healers dont need vamp, damagers dont need block, Tanks dont build dodge, but every book they got has also maximum 3-10%.

octobook is good on all chars but some benefit less from it then others in my opinion classes with already build in resist skills get less use of octobook since they already can avoid being stunned as whole. And about the why create debuffs at all when octo exist then you might ask why octo/orci scrolls exist too if its as broken as you claim. But then we come to the point i mentioned earlier the books are so few in each server that they dont have any real impact. What is there to even talk about anymore? If octo/orci book were as common as any other classless book then it would be a different story but since they arent. The impact in gameplay is minimal and thus shouldnt be touched.

[Ivoo 50]

Just now, legolad said:

octobook is good on all chars but some benefit less from it then others in my opinion classes with already build in resist skills get less use of octobook since they already can avoid being stunned as whole. And about the why create debuffs at all when octo exist then you might ask why octo/orci scrolls exist too if its as broken as you claim. But then we come to the point i mentioned earlier the books are so few in each server that they dont have any real impact. What is there to even talk about anymore? If octo/orci book were as common as any other classless book then it would be a different story but since they arent. The impact in gameplay is minimal and thus shouldnt be touched.

Thats why it should get balanced before more people get it, people will spend millions etc and then there will be chaos after Developers realise it in year later "Oh right book actually is broken", scrolls available to everyone and not giving either 50% usually scrolls pots buff is higher than passive  books buffs. 

[Godless 43]

9 minutes ago, Ivoo said:

Thats why it should get balanced before more people get it, people will spend millions etc and then there will be chaos after Developers realise it in year later "Oh right book actually is broken", scrolls available to everyone and not giving either 50% usually scrolls pots buff is higher than passive  books buffs. 

You realise they nerfed it from 80% + scrolls30% down to max 50% effectiveness and there will never be a time where octobooks are SO common that they make impact in a large scale

[Santa Claus 173]

U do realise thats not nerf ? They can use different scrolls and i would say that more chars benefit from resist scroll than octo one

[coldravens 174]

6 hours ago, Ivoo said:

After all, what is your goals for this game, to get book what makes you immortal, and then you win everything 24/7? is this point of the game? if you never want to lose or get game difficult, or balanced where is the fun? 

Immortal, were!? Define what you mean by saying "immortal".

Immortal in 1v1 sure yea, game is not balanced on 1v1 and never will, in arena? Don't think soo you still can die book won't save you if your armors are +1 also if it become someday problematic they can just disable it for arena only.Immortal in mass figths never saw this i gues you can last 5 sec more before you get nuked to death, when that player take 1v20 then ill admit the book need nerfs.

And yes btw thats the point, people pay for the game to win 24/7 isn't obvios lel, and tip you can do this without needing the Octo and orics books, just play the best char the game can offer be max amps and gears have a bunch of classes books and bam you basically are "immortal" and can take on bunch of guys who have much worst amps than you.

5 hours ago, Santa Claus said:

So how can f2p player be able to get this and be equal with those who are p2w. Other books doesnt even benefit as much as these 2 so they dont make actual problem. Octo book is direct counter to 95% classes and orcinus can be easily abused by some1 buffing that person or by buffing himself.

With those books in game we will never have balance bcs . Idk whose idea was to even add them to the already messed up game. U guys talk like its normal for 1 book to be able to do 50% decreased debuff or increased buffs . Those books would be also insane at 20% and they wouldnt be considered broken as they are right now . And those scrolls should be removed  or changed to 10% since i know every1 mention them when we talk about those books. 1 book making char from trash tier to god tier is insanely stupid and i dont even care how rare it is when only whales have acces to them

As im aware there is no mc wall to collect drops from oric/octo every player who is in kill pt can drop it so f2p can drop it, all you need is to be in kill pt and your family, dog, cat and dragon to pray to rng godess that you drop it, and im pretty sure those op guilds who control the bosses do inv f2p, as for the other part in theory you can be equal to p2w just will take you much more time, if he become maxed +10 and all classes books for 1 mouth for you this will take 5 years, thats the game design and in  general game design of most free to play games, its no suprice people call them freemium,

Also what balance there are 16 heros in the game people struggle with 6 to balance in other games, ws is unbalanced from long time even before octo/orics books were realised not sure if we will ever be close to balance.

[Slap 52]

Here we go again with the same circus, from game to discord, from discord to forum finally.

 

First of all before getting into the main point of this, i am always looking who had the big brain to write this and all i see is this

 

 

assuming you have the arena shoes as well, i checked your PVP Weapons and i see this:

 

 

15.8% + 16.7% + 5% from ferocity book (if you own it) equals 37.5% ferocity in PVP, which is... shameless,

 

i checked your arena achievements, total fights in every arena : 157 wins 2x2 345 wins 5x5 169 wins cruci 374 wins seals 0 wins old 3x3.

 

So you are telling me as a player looking like this, you have the right to say that sea books are broken? It took you less than 1000 fights in the arena to meet the only 3 4 players that got that book already and fought against them?, shamaless if you ask me.

 

Octopus and Orcinus books have been introduced in the game many years ago, there are not even 10 books total in the EU server elf mc combined, Octopus and Orcinus could reach a cap of 80% but nobody was complaining back then about this that much, it got nerfed to 50% and also the bleeds and dots were not affected anymore by this. Skills such as warlock dark circle isn't affected by the octopus book, you still take the full duration of the stun as well. 

 

The orcinus book dropped twice in EU, once because of the 2x chances event which seems fair to me, all about luck.

Besides you not being a PVP Player AT ALL, more as a person that always complains, never happy with anything, coming up with the excuses that everyone wants to gets these books, then get better, stronger, learn how to play as good as you complain. More than this, you didn't come up with any solid point to prove that these books are broken, unbeatable, etc. I am myself using octopus book and i can tell you this doesn't make me unbeatable, invincible or whatever you want to call it. Me and all the players that have these books ( Speaking only of EU server) have years of PvP experience, tons of hours spent in the arena, practicing, it's not something that everyone can do, and trust me, you're awful on that chieftain, but i believe that the screenshots speak for themselves.

 

Another thing that i want to point out is, why people only complain about CHIEFTAINS being broken with that book, why not ranger, hunter, charmer or any other class, well i'm telling you why, you are facing the only chieftains in my guild that are mopping the area with your chars, simple is that. There are 20 classes in this game, yet chieftain is the only one that benefits the most out of orcinus book, i agree to that and i have said it many times, where octopus book is fair for every class, since every class benefits out of it, less stuns, nothing to argue about it, you can debate who benefits more, but it's pointless, you are simply complaining about not being able to beat a maxed out class with a book, being played by players with 2 3, 5 or maybe 10 years of experience in this game, give me a break.

 

On the other hand, most of the complaints i see is about 1v1 mostly, where if you are a PVP Player, which you are not @Ivoo , you would know that the class balance is non existent, what i mean by that? Well a ranger for example beats a shaman easily, a shaman beats a barbarian and a barbarian destroys any ranger, do you see my point? Each class is designed to beat another class, there is no class that beats every class in this game and will never exist. Now my point is, if you add the rare sea books to each class, it's gonna be even harder to fight them since they counter that specific class, same as any other book, each book is an improvement. Each book on a shaman makes even harder for a barbarian to beat it, etc. You got my point i guess.

 

You are also bringing YinYang and Phalanx into WHY ORCI BOOK IS BROKEN , like why? It's our fault for everything in this game, i agree, i'm sorry for that. 

You are also coming up with the idea "Even 20% of its effect is broken" how do you know may i ask? Did you ever have one, did you ever test it? Of course not, but it's easier to complain on the forums when you can't beat anything. I'm not here to answer to all your complaints cause it's pointless, all i want to say is, don't forget how much work and time spent in the game is behind every character with such books, think twice before typing this on a public forum or you're gonna embarass yourself and all your friends complaining. And also get better, all i can say about all people that complain, get better or stay like @Ivoo

[Abi 88]

There's a saying in Arabic which goes "those who aren't tall enough to reach the grapes says it's sour" 
same thing applies to you and those who complain about the books if you or your guild had the books yourself this topic wouldn't even be here in first place, the books are broken nevertheless when it comes to 1v1 but " and I know this might sound crazy but hear me out" maybe because the game wasn't designed to be balanced in terms of 1v1? "crazy right?" devs and gm said that themselves long time ago the game isn't 1v1 based, in group fights the books do what they're supposed to be and again "fact you never had them beyond those scrolls" you are in no position to say they're good or bad since you barely have any pvp knowledge and never had them, and bringing up the whole "YinYang and Phalanx" working together shows the fact that you're not even trying to fight for those raids to get the books, those raids are designed to require an ENTIRE guild to kill and for what? only a CHANCE to drop just 1 book, let alone fighting other guilds who want it so yeah the only reason your writing this topic is because its "easier" for you to complain about the books than actually try to fight YinYang and phalanx and win it, its simply not our fault that we are stronger.

 

[Ivoo 50]

1 hour ago, Slap said:

Here we go again with the same circus, from game to discord, from discord to forum finally.

 

First of all before getting into the main point of this, i am always looking who had the big brain to write this and all i see is this

 

 

assuming you have the arena shoes as well, i checked your PVP Weapons and i see this:

 

 

15.8% + 16.7% + 5% from ferocity book (if you own it) equals 37.5% ferocity in PVP, which is... shameless,

 

i checked your arena achievements, total fights in every arena : 157 wins 2x2 345 wins 5x5 169 wins cruci 374 wins seals 0 wins old 3x3.

 

So you are telling me as a player looking like this, you have the right to say that sea books are broken? It took you less than 1000 fights in the arena to meet the only 3 4 players that got that book already and fought against them?, shamaless if you ask me.

 

Octopus and Orcinus books have been introduced in the game many years ago, there are not even 10 books total in the EU server elf mc combined, Octopus and Orcinus could reach a cap of 80% but nobody was complaining back then about this that much, it got nerfed to 50% and also the bleeds and dots were not affected anymore by this. Skills such as warlock dark circle isn't affected by the octopus book, you still take the full duration of the stun as well. 

 

The orcinus book dropped twice in EU, once because of the 2x chances event which seems fair to me, all about luck.

Besides you not being a PVP Player AT ALL, more as a person that always complains, never happy with anything, coming up with the excuses that everyone wants to gets these books, then get better, stronger, learn how to play as good as you complain. More than this, you didn't come up with any solid point to prove that these books are broken, unbeatable, etc. I am myself using octopus book and i can tell you this doesn't make me unbeatable, invincible or whatever you want to call it. Me and all the players that have these books ( Speaking only of EU server) have years of PvP experience, tons of hours spent in the arena, practicing, it's not something that everyone can do, and trust me, you're awful on that chieftain, but i believe that the screenshots speak for themselves.

 

Another thing that i want to point out is, why people only complain about CHIEFTAINS being broken with that book, why not ranger, hunter, charmer or any other class, well i'm telling you why, you are facing the only chieftains in my guild that are mopping the area with your chars, simple is that. There are 20 classes in this game, yet chieftain is the only one that benefits the most out of orcinus book, i agree to that and i have said it many times, where octopus book is fair for every class, since every class benefits out of it, less stuns, nothing to argue about it, you can debate who benefits more, but it's pointless, you are simply complaining about not being able to beat a maxed out class with a book, being played by players with 2 3, 5 or maybe 10 years of experience in this game, give me a break.

 

On the other hand, most of the complaints i see is about 1v1 mostly, where if you are a PVP Player, which you are not @Ivoo , you would know that the class balance is non existent, what i mean by that? Well a ranger for example beats a shaman easily, a shaman beats a barbarian and a barbarian destroys any ranger, do you see my point? Each class is designed to beat another class, there is no class that beats every class in this game and will never exist. Now my point is, if you add the rare sea books to each class, it's gonna be even harder to fight them since they counter that specific class, same as any other book, each book is an improvement. Each book on a shaman makes even harder for a barbarian to beat it, etc. You got my point i guess.

 

You are also bringing YinYang and Phalanx into WHY ORCI BOOK IS BROKEN , like why? It's our fault for everything in this game, i agree, i'm sorry for that. 

You are also coming up with the idea "Even 20% of its effect is broken" how do you know may i ask? Did you ever have one, did you ever test it? Of course not, but it's easier to complain on the forums when you can't beat anything. I'm not here to answer to all your complaints cause it's pointless, all i want to say is, don't forget how much work and time spent in the game is behind every character with such books, think twice before typing this on a public forum or you're gonna embarass yourself and all your friends complaining. And also get better, all i can say about all people that complain, get better or stay like @Ivoo

First of all read the topic before you answer anything i wrote same on the discord, no wonder you didnt graduate your school and living on the game now, if you answer question before you read them. 

 

I was talking abt every server, didnt bring my chief to  compare, i play 4-5 different server and most of them dominated by people who using theese books arena, Raid bosses fights, gvg we aint here talking about your dirty alliance with Phalanx. and about my maces. your writing here long text and protect the unbalanced book because you own one of them. We understand you spent gold for it and afraid of not being immortal if they nerf it. 

[Hossein 64]

 funny that two guild from different sides. They defend each other's words, whether right or wrong only and only because it is for their benefit.

 

It's really ridiculous when you say that you have to work hard to get that book when you get it by making peace with enemy side and It doesn't matter how rare and expensive the book is, it should still be fair.

 

If the opinions of others are not given importance, the game will deteriorate even more.

 

8 hours ago, Higgings said:

Because they are different books. They have to be obtained in different ways and they act differently in PvP/PvE scenarios.

yeah different books that two guilds (mc and elf ones) makes deals to obtain it easily by dealing with peace .

 

 

 

 

 

 

it would be real rare if no guild make deal for it by not fighting against each other and do it a turn thing.

so we hope they make it fair in %

like all other books .

 

 

[Higgings 1826]

28 minutes ago, Hossein said:

yeah different books that two guilds (mc and elf ones) makes deals to obtain it easily by dealing with peace .

 

What does that even have to do with the fact that these books work differently based on scenarios? 

 

29 minutes ago, Hossein said:

so we hope they make it fair in %

like all other books .

 

The day these books will be dropped in the same ratio as the ones we have already will be the day in which your hope will come true. Until then, I pray for your hope not to fade into dust. 

[Raislin 337]

1 hour ago, Hossein said:

 funny that two guild from different sides. They defend each other's words, whether right or wrong only and only because it is for their benefit.

 

It's really ridiculous when you say that you have to work hard to get that book when you get it by making peace with enemy side and It doesn't matter how rare and expensive the book is, it should still be fair.

 

If the opinions of others are not given importance, the game will deteriorate even more.

 

yeah different books that two guilds (mc and elf ones) makes deals to obtain it easily by dealing with peace .

 

 

 

 

 

 

it would be real rare if no guild make deal for it by not fighting against each other and do it a turn thing.

so we hope they make it fair in %

like all other books .

 

 

 

Of course lets conveniently forget that the complainers are also in an alliance with enemy faction guilds out of necessity to fight Phalanx and YinYang and they outnumber both guilds massively and still get beaten almost everytime. Complaining about books that strengthen the guild by 0.0001% in mass fights wont help you win in any guild/faction related contest.

[Hossein 64]

1 hour ago, Higgings said:

What does that even have to do with the fact that these books work differently based on scenarios? 

you be like this just because ur in the one of mentioned guilds. I understand you, maybe if it were me, I would talk one way like this but not as a Moderators

 

 

2 hours ago, Higgings said:

The day these books will be dropped in the same ratio as the ones we have already will be the day in which your hope will come true. Until then, I pray for your hope not to fade into dust. 

I dont really care they change things or not just trying to throw out some fair ideas . you be always wise so i just put my hope on this

 

1 hour ago, Raislin said:

Of course lets conveniently forget that the complainers are also in an alliance with enemy faction guilds out of necessity to fight Phalanx and YinYang and they outnumber both guilds massively and still get beaten almost everytime. Complaining about books that strengthen the guild by 0.0001% in mass fights wont help you win in any guild/faction related contest.

haha tell me more jokes bro  you mention a mc guild as your ally and talk about fight ? i would love to complain about a lot of things here but then ill get a penalty point again lol so ill leave it like that with peace and love sweety.

[Hossein 64]

4 hours ago, Ivoo said:

First of all read the topic before you answer anything i wrote same on the discord, no wonder you didnt graduate your school and living on the game now, if you answer question before you read them. 

 

I was talking abt every server, didnt bring my chief to  compare, i play 4-5 different server and most of them dominated by people who using theese books arena, Raid bosses fights, gvg we aint here talking about your dirty alliance with Phalanx. and about my maces. your writing here long text and protect the unbalanced book because you own one of them. We understand you spent gold for it and afraid of not being immortal if they nerf it. 

yeah there is no personality things here . game should have runnig on its fair way . just easy as it

Edited October 19, 2022 by Hossein

[Higgings 1826]

9 minutes ago, Hossein said:

you be like this just because ur in the one of mentioned guilds. I understand you, maybe if it were me, I would talk one way like this but not as a Moderators

 

And you're probably in one of the guilds which usually fight against one (or both) of the 2 guilds which instead usually manage to fight for such books, so what? You haven't answered the question whatsoever and my current rank doesn't influence what I would say in any case.

 

2 hours ago, Higgings said:

What does that even have to do with the fact that these books work differently based on scenarios? 

 

 

 

[Santa Claus 173]

I love how ppl are biased  just bcs they have these books. And every1 is saying how book have counter . So i need to counter book and char . So lets say im fighting in 2v2 vs 2 chars with octo books i need to  counter 2 books and 2 chars  with just 1 partner . Orcinus book isnt as broken as orci on some chars but in arena u have partners and they can buff u and  it will make u unkillable. 

Edited October 19, 2022 by Santa Claus

[Hossein 64]

11 minutes ago, Higgings said:

2 hours ago, Higgings said:

What does that even have to do with the fact that these books work differently based on scenarios? 

 

I have nothing to do with what kind of book it is and what it is for

In my opinion and many others, the percentage should be the same as the rest of the books or a bit more.Isn't it or you just gonna say that because it is the rarest book in game and takes years to get it ?

 

20 minutes ago, Higgings said:

And you're probably in one of the guilds which usually fight against one (or both) of the 2 guilds which instead usually manage to fight for such books, so what?

im not playing the game now for like 6 7 month maybe or more idk. but yeah I would fight back the elf guild and sadly the shameful mc guild who works for elves .

 

23 minutes ago, Higgings said:

and my current rank doesn't influence what I would say in any case.

I hope so bro

[Hossein 64]

5 hours ago, Abi said:

There's a saying in Arabic which goes "those who aren't tall enough to reach the grapes says it's sour" 
same thing applies to you and those who complain about the books if you or your guild had the books yourself this topic wouldn't even be here in first place, the books are broken nevertheless when it comes to 1v1 but " and I know this might sound crazy but hear me out" maybe because the game wasn't designed to be balanced in terms of 1v1? "crazy right?" devs and gm said that themselves long time ago the game isn't 1v1 based, in group fights the books do what they're supposed to be and again "fact you never had them beyond those scrolls" you are in no position to say they're good or bad since you barely have any pvp knowledge and never had them, and bringing up the whole "YinYang and Phalanx" working together shows the fact that you're not even trying to fight for those raids to get the books, those raids are designed to require an ENTIRE guild to kill and for what? only a CHANCE to drop just 1 book, let alone fighting other guilds who want it so yeah the only reason your writing this topic is because its "easier" for you to complain about the books than actually try to fight YinYang and phalanx and win it, its simply not our fault that we are stronger.

another joke bro common why you guys talking about FIGHT when you making deals with elves to have a chance killing the boss .  ah man I forgot it  ivo made the topic for lowering the % and I see hes right in my own opinion

[Higgings 1826]

24 minutes ago, Hossein said:

Isn't it or you just gonna say that because it is the rarest book in game and takes years to get it ?

 

Uhm... yes? You need years to get a book therefore it's quite fair for that book to be that strong and not to be in the same category of the other's which instead require a weekly event for them to come up. 

 

28 minutes ago, Santa Claus said:

I love how ppl are biased  just bcs they have these books

 

They could say the exact opposite of those who don't have these books though. 

[Santa Claus 173]

This game isnt greek mythology to be divided to gods in this case ppl with octo and orci books and mortals . Whats reason to make these book so op . "They drop once in few months " is only thing u have to defend this book snd that doesnt even change fact that books is unbalanced . And tjat jsut say that those books are unbalanced . If they were limited to 20% they would be om which is pretty reasonable buff that wouldnt change fact that these books would still be best books in the game and would actually be balanced. U want these book to remain same bcs u can only win arena fight by using them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[coldravens 174]

8 hours ago, Santa Claus said:

I love how ppl are biased  just bcs they have these books. And every1 is saying how book have counter . So i need to counter book and char . So lets say im fighting in 2v2 vs 2 chars with octo books i need to  counter 2 books and 2 chars  with just 1 partner . Orcinus book isnt as broken as orci on some chars but in arena u have partners and they can buff u and  it will make u unkillable. 

Okey if thats the problem just suggest book to be disabled for arena simple, but the topic start for overall nerf cuz some dudes don't like the other dudes that have the book cuz they are broken in 1v1 lets not lie its all cuz of 1v1 otherwise the complaint would of start with arena, the book do nothing in mass figths you still die verry fast its not like the distortion book were 20ppl hit you and you are at full hp.

For 3rd time book is verry op yes, but thats ok cuz its the rarest item in the game and it do nothing in mass figths in which game is focused at the moment, so if you guys prove the book helps the user to stay alive and kill 10-20 amped players then we all will admit the book need nerf if not then i don't see reason to nerf it, i doubt 3-4 players with octo/orics book will help that much in mass pvp battle.

And last i like how you guys complaint about some stupid book while there are much more broken things in the game which need attention like the hardcore cc that make you siting dummy 24/7 and its soo unfun for all expect the user or the broken tanky merman armors which are 200 times more common than those stupid books and have mini orics effect as well but ofc since all have em there is no problem, the problem comes when there is a rare op item which only 3-4 playes own and others get mad cuz it gives unfair advantage in a mode on which devs said game is not balanced at all.

[Santa Claus 173]

2 hours ago, coldravens said:

11 hours ago, Santa Claus said:

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Okey if thats the problem just suggest book to be disabled for arena simple, but the topic start for overall nerf cuz some dudes don't like the other dudes that have the book cuz they are broken in 1v1 lets not lie its all cuz of 1v1 otherwise the complaint would of start with arena, the book do nothing in mass figths you still die verry fast its not like the distortion book were 20ppl hit you and you are at full hp.

For 3rd time book is verry op yes, but thats ok cuz its the rarest item in the game and it do nothing in mass figths in which game is focused at the moment, so if you guys prove the book helps the user to stay alive and kill 10-20 amped players then we all will admit the book need nerf if not then i don't see reason to nerf it, i doubt 3-4 players with octo/orics book will help that much in mass pvp battle.

And last i like how you guys complaint about some stupid book while there are much more broken things in the game which need attention like the hardcore cc that make you siting dummy 24/7 and its soo unfun for all expect the user or the broken tanky merman armors which are 200 times more common than those stupid books and have mini orics effect as well but ofc since all have em there is no problem, the problem comes when there is a rare op item which only 3-4 playes own and others get mad cuz it gives unfair advantage in a mode on which devs said game is not balanced at all.

Name me 1mmorpg game where u become godlike by obtaining rare item 

[Mateusz 30]

These books actually makin game harder for new players and not possible to get to the top for the players who are not in certain guild that already owned everything. Even ppl in this certain guild wont ever get its cus heirs giving it to each other. Like in pha 2 leaders got all orci octo dropped in elf side. I dont think its fair ppl with 10+ books losing to guy with 1 orci book who got it almost free from guild and losing only cus he have that book, not cus of skill. Actually it shows u can put everything in this game, like ur money and time and still u gonna die to a guy who randomly got book that shouldnt exist. This makes whole pvp thing uncompetitive, there are many pvp players who already left game cus of that and more about to leave. Another thing is only octo orci books gives u way more % than buffs. Like why my pene book dont buff me 20% pene? Why u cant make it like 10-20% max and put higher drop rate? So it would be more fair and more ppl would get it. With every octo orci book drop pvp in this game becomes way less balanced and unatractive. Like pls tell me who can beat 2 orci chiefs in 2x2? Is it oke to 2 chiefs with almost 0 books just orci one to block everything in 2x2? Imagine if they have 15 books and orci one. There is no pt exists who can beat them in 2x2. I doubt any can even beat them in 5x5 XD. So ye enjoy ur game guys. Its so fun to play. How much $ more need to put to lose vs 1 book player? Better go watch Vava video and sell ur chars like he did. This whole thing is not about losing. Whatever char u make, always someone gonna win u thats np. Losing vs 1 broken book is different, is unfair.