benjaminbt 322 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) I have recently invited a few of my friends to play Warspear Online, and helped them develop characters. We played while talking on Skype, and I always had to explain what's going on, which actually would have been pretty difficult without skyping. After three hours of intensive gaming they went offline. For a few days noone was online, and when I asked them if they want to come to play, they said the grapics are cool and so the controls, but understanding the mechanism of the game is VERY hard. So, they ended up on playing WS after only a few hours, although they are big MMORPG fans, but this was too hard for them. What to upgrade, where to find different things, what weapon to use, how to craft, the system of mobs (normal, strong, etc.), and I could say a couple of ther things they told me they found difficult. So here is the suggestion: Make a completely new, detailed tutorial for beginners. They need it, beleive me, more than half of the new players quit cause they don't understand the whole thing. Once I was explaining the game and guiding a player for hours, and never saw him again. You may think "Why? This doesn't bring any profit!" But here is what I say; If instead of 50% of the new players 90% would understand and play the game, there would be more chance they buy Miracle Coins, which means BIG PROFIT!! I firmly beleive in what I've written down here. Think about it, devs. It is a big opportunity for you. To make PROFIT. Any comment? Edited October 7, 2015 by BTminBT Morgana 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosotraes 350 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Bring back the old tutorial island? Is what you mean? Yes, that would be noice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminbt 322 Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 Yeah, sort of, an island giving no resources, gold or equip for the real game, replayable as many times as needed. If you complete it well for the first time, you may receive a starter reward. Or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer snorlax 643 Posted October 7, 2015 Developer Share Posted October 7, 2015 Hello there! It is true that the game is kinda complicated for new players. Maybe it all because it was designed more than 7 years ago and even controls are somehow outdated - yes, it was for Windows Mobile device only a while ago, without that fancy touch displays We are working on a new tutorial, but it's tricky just because noone loves being tutored, so the goal is to find a really nice way to explain core features and make game more understandable for newbies. Actually, some time ago we made beginning of the game easier by reducing requirements in quests on all starting islands. If you have any nice ideas, feel free to write them here or to me directly and we'll figure out how to make game better! We do appreciate your desire to help! Thank you! Jollier and Morgana 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosotraes 350 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Hello there! It is true that the game is kinda complicated for new players. Maybe it all because it was designed more than 7 years ago and even controls are somehow outdated - yes, it was for Windows Mobile device only a while ago, without that fancy touch displays We are working on a new tutorial, but it's tricky just because noone loves being tutored, so the goal is to find a really nice way to explain core features and make game more understandable for newbies. Actually, some time ago we made beginning of the game easier by reducing requirements in quests on all starting islands. If you have any nice ideas, feel free to write them here or to me directly and we'll figure out how to make game better! We do appreciate your desire to help! Thank you! We already have the tips and tricks (popup messages when we first do a quest or so). Those are awesome and really help new players out. Maybe you sirs can add a lil' more of those, explaining the main rules of the game or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCocktail 183 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Hello there! It is true that the game is kinda complicated for new players. Maybe it all because it was designed more than 7 years ago and even controls are somehow outdated - yes, it was for Windows Mobile device only a while ago, without that fancy touch displays We are working on a new tutorial, but it's tricky just because noone loves being tutored, so the goal is to find a really nice way to explain core features and make game more understandable for newbies. Actually, some time ago we made beginning of the game easier by reducing requirements in quests on all starting islands. If you have any nice ideas, feel free to write them here or to me directly and we'll figure out how to make game better! We do appreciate your desire to help! Thank you! How about having kind of a captian or great 4th wall breaker in every t1 have a departure to tutorial island? And on t1 of the tutorial island you can allways go back. You can visit the tutorial whenever you want, and it is also told that you can leave anytime you want maybe some troll items only available at tutorial island? :> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jollier 78 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) Hello there! It is true that the game is kinda complicated for new players. Maybe it all because it was designed more than 7 years ago and even controls are somehow outdated - yes, it was for Windows Mobile device only a while ago, without that fancy touch displays We are working on a new tutorial, but it's tricky just because noone loves being tutored, so the goal is to find a really nice way to explain core features and make game more understandable for newbies. Actually, some time ago we made beginning of the game easier by reducing requirements in quests on all starting islands. If you have any nice ideas, feel free to write them here or to me directly and we'll figure out how to make game better! We do appreciate your desire to help! Thank you! Maybe you should add some npc that sells guide book in the beginner place or every player that just started/newplayer get one in their mailbox Edited October 7, 2015 by Waltdisney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosotraes 350 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Maybe you should add some npc that sells guide book in the beginner place or every player that just started/newplayer get one in their mailbox Rather pick the automail than the sell to guide option. Some players don't know how to buy stuff yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgana 780 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 It took me over 3 months to understand every detail of the game and even longer to understand that stuff with accuracy,critical etc. that it plays a role. Warspears is my first mmorpg and if it's even hard for people who have played mmorpgs before warspear, then it's really complicated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jollier 78 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Rather pick the automail than the sell to guide option. Some players don't know how to buy stuff yet yeah but what if player accidentlly dropped that guide book?,they can buy it from new npc for 5 gold or maybe free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgana 780 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 It might be a better option to give a few numbers of guide books about different topics, all listed like the quests? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jollier 78 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 It might be a better option to give a few numbers of guide books about different topics, all listed like the quests? i pos something about it in suggestion,try to read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikafati 148 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Reasonable rewards motivate people to do stuff, as long as their expectations are not killed when they finish the tutorial and realise that rewards afterwards from quests/mobs are crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosotraes 350 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Free gold/Miracle coins could be a nice reward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleidoscope 142 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Yea, I guess tutorials would help em, and others. But I did get everything when I started out, dunno why it's an issue to others, the only prob I can think of is that they don't understand English etc well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphademon8507 0 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 The only thing id say ia to increase bad space in the beginning so noobs can make gold easier and get to ayvendil without such hassle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminbt 322 Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 Thanks, admin! You should make an ingame Warspedia, which would explain all parts of the game. Saw these type of feature in other games, too. You are also right, people don't usually like to be tutored, same happened to me long ago when I started to play COD 1. There was a tutorial level, and you could only step further if you completed it. I didn't like it.. So keep it up! Maybe the tutorial island should be completely separated from other islands, like you could try everything, any +10 items, free signs and everything, but it couldn't be brought to the actual game. This is also used in many games, as an opportunity for players to try new things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazelnut 600 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 http://ws-db.ru/ Choose english as the language, it may helps u much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminbt 322 Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 Thanks, it's interesting! Still would be interested how it works in game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vera_Z 321 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Had the same experience, While teaching some buddies on how to play: Someone was swiping his screen. (Trying to explore the map.) Someone was looking for skill tree. (Planning which prerequisite skill must be studied.) Someone was actually had potential, but nahh.. (She doesn't know how quests work.) Someone was looking for auto-attack. (Wut?) Someone said "Oh, it's like the Zelda my dad used to play." (Hmm.. sort of. But no.) And I thought, maybe Warspear isn't for them. As Great One Snorly said, the game is outdated. New Gen players will have a hard time for sure. In my case, I got the game immediately. As an old-school RPG player, one must look for "!" to proceed. So it's no sweat. The tutorial is helpful enough. Except the players likely ignore them and end up as a level 1 on the last map, killing mobs. I couldn't think of a better help for this, but the Tutorial Island is indeed a great idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja Owl 210 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Was there any clear reason to remove the tutorials in the first place? I'm too lazy to look it up myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikafati 148 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) 1st island is like a tutorial island, but the problem is that it's way too long and it doesn't show anything that comes later. You literally have to wander around the island for 6 hours, without knowing that this game consists of more than 10 people you've met so far and there is actually more after level 12 Edited October 8, 2015 by Shil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskentliii 71 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Someone was looking for auto-attack. (Wut?) I've seen rpgs like that where you just let you char in an area with monster and the char kill them by itself,level up and gather the items that the add drops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vera_Z 321 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I've seen rpgs like that where you just let you char in an area with monster and the char kill them by itself,level up and gather the items that the add drops. Of course I know such games myself. I'm just shocked that time when he thought that WS is a Dungeon-raid based MMORPG nowadays where you miss the actual adventure with the entire environment. It's just not like that, so I was: "Say what?" *chuckles* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[email protected] 7 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 i dont think game is really hard to understand but it can take some time to learn practical ways, master your character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleuth 0 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Add auto walk into the quest . it will help for newbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fronkiiing 10 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 It's called a learning process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corona virus 230 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Auto walk? So as if a map isnt already given right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminbt 322 Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 Why, auto-walk is pretty common in games. Or the ability to instant arrive at the place of quest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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