Rogue skill setup

[Odin 1]

Share your thoughts on what way to spend your skill points on skills.  Ive been through a few books of oblivious testing and I think i have the best setup:

 

4 gouge

5 merciless strike

4 dodge

 

This is the best all around setup.  You're very good in the arena you still have high dodge for pve and best damage. 

 

If I was looking for a 1v1 setup id go with this:

5 merciless strike

4 dodge

4 kick in the back

 

Gouge is kind of useless one v one.  Kick in the back has a decency duration at 4 and significantly cuts opponents accuracy.  Other things I've learned is that you can always lower dodge if you need points.  Dodge buff is a little over 1% per point.  I had 30% dodge with 5 points in dodge.  I have 29% with 4 points in dodge.  3 points brought me down to 27.5%.  All this was with the same base of 21% dodge. 

Gouge is roughly 6 seconds at 5 points and roughly 4.5 seconds at 3 points.  Those are pretty large increments though so its worth it to go 4 points or higher. 

[WARLUNATIC 2]

How many hits does kick in the back work for at level 4?

Level 3 dodge skill is enough, 21.1%--->28.1% lvl3.

[Sinners 0]

;D I need to look into this.

[Odin 1]

Ok with the new skill I managed to run some tests before they took the servers down again.  Here's what I found out

 

Speccing high in stealth increases the duration of stealth but also more importantly increases the damage from stealth attacks. 

 

Also against a single opponent you can gouge and stealth again then attack again. 

 

My new setup:  5 merciless 5 stealth 3 gouge 1 kick 1 dodge. 

 

My reasons:  stealth makes defense less important and I still have 25% with 1 dodge.  Also my merciless skill out of stealth maxes out in the 900 range.  Basically this is a max damage setup.  Level 5 stealth adds about 100 damage to my merciless strike (about 180+ on crit).

 

[sakray777 0]

Ok with the new skill I managed to run some tests before they took the servers down again.  Here's what I found out

 

Speccing high in stealth increases the duration of stealth but also more importantly increases the damage from stealth attacks. 

 

Also against a single opponent you can gouge and stealth again then attack again. 

 

My new setup:  5 merciless 5 stealth 3 gouge 1 kick 1 dodge. 

 

My reasons:  stealth makes defense less important and I still have 25% with 1 dodge.  Also my merciless skill out of stealth maxes out in the 900 range.  Basically this is a max damage setup.  Level 5 stealth adds about 100 damage to my merciless strike (about 180+ on crit).

 

 

 

 

hmmmm..maybe my new setup should be 5 3 5 1 1

 

 

wat u think bout it?  ;D

[Windlass 0]

Thanks for testing things for us. It would be easier to decide now.

[Odin 1]

hmmmm..maybe my new setup should be 5 3 5 1 1

 

 

wat u think bout it?  ;D

 

Hmm 5 merc 3 stealth 5 gouge? I'm trying to see why you would need the extra gouge time over damage.  Perhaps if you plan to cycle stealth more but I'd think it would even out. 

[GueGuejr 0]

how come u have 15 skill points? i hv only 10 skill point. :(

[Mcmaster 0]

This is very usefull,  :good: thanks buddy and keep it up rich guy!!!  :friends:

[Windlass 0]

All skills have 1 skill point as default, so you compute what he did. It's still 10.

[Marcin 7]

As dodge is also useful (saved my ass a lot of times) I'll rather go this way: 4 merci  4 stealth 3 gouge 3 dodge 1 kick

[Mcmaster 0]

As dodge is also useful (saved my ass a lot of times) I'll rather go this way: 4 merci  4 stealth 3 gouge 3 dodge 1 kick

 

Me too,was thinking about dodge,it has helped me to win pvp so much,so i would agree with Marcin

[Cevilone 1]

If i back playing rogue, imo:

 

5marc, 5gouge, 3stealth

Best for one on one with taking less damage

Combo duel:

Stealth, marc, gouge, wait, stealth, marc, gouge, :facepalm:

 

For one on one cool duel and little better fr one vs 2,

5marc, 5dodge, 3 kick

Combo duel:

Stealth, marc,gouge, kick, marc

[Ellyson 0]

5 Stealth

5 merciless strike

2 dodge

1 gouge  :blush:

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[aPeBaLL 0]

As dodge is also useful (saved my ass a lot of times) I'll rather go this way: 4 merci  4 stealth 3 gouge 3 dodge 1 kick

 

oh..thanks ..

[aPeBaLL 0]

what about shaman?..

[Mcmaster 0]

what about shaman?..

 

Excuse me this place for rogues!!! ;D

[Odin 1]

This is very usefull,  :good: thanks buddy and keep it up rich guy!!!  :friends:

 

Lol I'm not rich I just happen to have a good job and I don't waste money anywhere else.  But you're welcome  :drinks:

 

As dodge is also useful (saved my ass a lot of times) I'll rather go this way: 4 merci  4 stealth 3 gouge 3 dodge 1 kick

 

Hmm not a bad setup and the damage loss is minimal.  I'm just of the philosophy that in a game like this you must choose one thing to do well and do it as best as you possibly can. I choose damage and my spec and suit (including penetration crystals) are all designed for damage.  However I think rogues stats are good enough that you should be very successful with any spec as long as it suits your playstyle. 

 

One rogue I know has a defensive spec rogue with 14% parry tons of dodge and he's a nightmare to bring down.

[Mcmaster 0]

Hmmm........ I'm curious to know that who's the rogue has the highset dodge? Can you guys post here that how much dodge you got? Thank you :)

 

starting  on me, my dodge is 21% (kinda low ;))

[Windlass 0]

Additional info for the Rogues, 1 point of stealth adds 5 secs to the duration, the default is 15 secs at level 1. For gouge it only adds 1 sec per point but the default is 5 secs. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Ematron 0]

Hmmm........ I'm curious to know that who's the rogue has the highset dodge? Can you guys post here that how much dodge you got? Thank you :)

 

starting  on me, my dodge is 21% (kinda low ;) )

 

 

From my testing whatever it was as base add 5% per lvl but I could be wrong. I haven't played that much with rogue. So at lvl 3 add 15% to char base. If you're at lvl 3 I'm guessing your base was 6% without skill and 21% with skill?

[Marcin 7]

with lvl3 dodge skill -> 32% dodge on my char

[Eregion 1]

marcin what eqipment u have? i have with lvl 3 Dodge skill only 27%

[sulla 127]

marcin what eqipment u have? i have with lvl 3 Dodge skill only 27%

 

lvl1 dodgse skill 31% dodge, Dodge runes on swords.

[Mcmaster 0]

lvl1 dodgse skill 31% dodge, Dodge runes on swords.

 

Omg,i completely miss that,to enchant swords with dodge runes :facepalm:

Thanks sulla  :) and one thing how much is your parry??

[luksxxt 0]

pls remember rogue dodge skill changes from each lvl is just the time duration and not the number of dodge %, its always 5% :)

[sulla 127]

pls remember rogue dodge skill changes from each lvl is just the time duration and not the number of dodge %, its always 5% :)

 

Both duration and % increases, 8% at lvl5, IMO not worth lvling as at lvl1 last a very long time anyawy.

 

@mc

now max 10% parry only.

[luksxxt 0]

omg... it does? .-. then dodge skill better for rogues  :(

[Westrice 0]

Ill start play as rouge and i have question, which skill should I max first (mercilles strike or stealh)?

[jonny 1]

make merciless strike first good for arena also.

[Mcmaster 0]

Now my dodge 33% with skill ::)

[mercurial 3]

for me make Merc. strike lvl 3 first, then stealth 3, then gouge 3, then put the rest of the skill points anywhere, I'm making mine Merc. strike 5, Stealth 4, Gouge 4, Dodge 1 and Kick in back 1.

No need to max out dodge, lvl 1 has +5% I think that's enough  :wacko:

[jonny 1]

always max your merc. skill to max first  :clapping: 

[bstee76 0]

the most common skill setup for rogues seems to be gouge+5, stealth+5 and chicken out+10, specially in arena  :rofl:

[marsz 0]

hahaha  for me

Stealth=5

Merciless strike=5

Gouge=5

Combo type: stealth,merciless strike,gouge.

Lets just assure

Stealth 22 seconds.

Gouge 20 seconds.

Meciles strike 6 seconds.

Time manage is  amust.

Casting skills.

1st. Stealth  =16-15 duration attact opponent on 15-16 seconts while in stelth.

2nd merciless= 6 second cooldown before use it.

3rd gouge =10=12 duration .

 

Do that agen and agen opponent didnt hit u more that a half of ur hp.

[hytt123 0]

i have:

5 gouge

5 merciless strike

5 Stealth

 

I think its good for arena and just

good for killing elfs:D.

[marsz 0]

i have:

5 gouge

5 merciless strike

5 Stealth

 

I think its good for arena and just

good for killing elfs:D.

 

[Rogue 0]

i have:

5 gouge

5 merciless strike

5 Stealth

 

I think its good for arena and just

good for killing elfs:D.

 

that's right,on russians servers ~70% rogues having such sheme

[marsz 0]

Share your thoughts on what way to spend your skill points on skills.  Ive been through a few books of oblivious testing and I think i have the best setup:

 

4 gouge

5 merciless strike

4 dodge

 

This is the best all around setup.  You're very good in the arena you still have high dodge for pve and best damage.

 

If I was looking for a 1v1 setup id go with this:

5 merciless strike

4 dodge

4 kick in the back

 

Gouge is kind of useless one v one.  Kick in the back has a decency duration at 4 and significantly cuts opponents accuracy.  Other things I've learned is that you can always lower dodge if you need points.  Dodge buff is a little over 1% per point.  I had 30% dodge with 5 points in dodge.  I have 29% with 4 points in dodge.  3 points brought me down to 27.5%.  All this was with the same base of 21% dodge.

Gouge is roughly 6 seconds at 5 points and roughly 4.5 seconds at 3 points.  Those are pretty large increments though so its worth it to go 4 points or higher.

 

 

 

 

I still lovd

5 merciless strike

5 gouge

5 stealth

[Odin 1]

Was a very old post LOL.

 

 

Gouge 4

Stealth 5

Merc 5

Dodge 2 (to cycle)

 

Gouge 4 is enough to stealth merc gouge stealth in 1v1.  I still think kick is mostly worthless, but its biggest impact is when farming bosses.