Megadethbr 3 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Maybe im wrong,but when a rogue or bd use daggers instead of blade is bcuz he focus on speed. Do u agree that Rondel of Sudden Doom should have speed status? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lallouss 854 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 ur right about that, 13-15daggers has speed not pene, but i guess its not all same... Take mace for example, why the hell no critic on a doom 1h mace :'( it has parry wtf, i would take critic over parry anytime, 13 1h mace has critic :'( why the hell 13-15bg-18 are not same enchant in types of weapon :/ idk why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionn 88 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 A really good suggestion which I was thinking since a long time too. Instead of penentration would be good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harus 9 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Atk Speed instead of Critical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1 Pro Ranger 0 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 dont cry ;D ;D use which gives speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay 2 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Yes most dagger build for speed but...it won't help u much in pvp, it would great in pve for a boss fight since it has the highest damage burst. Why it great in a long fight? Because the dagger combo with 15%+ speed will out dps other slower weapons. But I have tried bd with 18% speed is killing machine for sure similar with rogue. Even I'm a pvp spec I should be semi kitting fighting them with my paladin. Its a good build actually. Rondel of SD design for more damage and not for speed and arena dagger much better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitzo 37 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Disagree. Attack speed with Daggers is a huge waste Why add on a stat that the weapon naturally gives you already with average speed Blade + Blade = around 2 second swing timer Rondel + Rondel = probably around 1.5 second swing timer Blade + Rondel = 1.8 second swing timer 2 Blade with 17% attack speed will have the same speed as Blade and Rondel, tested with lv13 Rogue. 2 Rondels with 23% attack speed will probably give you 1 second swing timer but will make some of your stats low such as Resilience, Critical and Accuracy if you were to use BG Shadow set and Resilience, Critical and HP if you were to use the lv17 Christmas set. Plus 5% penetration is about 20-30 damage. Why give up so much when you can just use 2 rondels or 1 blade + 1 rondel and get a decent attack speed instead of hitting 0.2 seconds faster while getting killed in a few hits and high risk of getting crit from other players. From my experience of using Rondels, you want more damage than more speed, penetration gives more damage. Blade is the weapon that needs speed. But the Blades now are designed for tankers with Parry in them, they should design one for Rogues and one for Deathknights with dark magic on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1 Pro Ranger 0 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Disagree. Attack speed with Daggers is a huge waste Why add on a stat that the weapon naturally gives you already with average speed Blade + Blade = around 2 second swing timer Rondel + Rondel = probably around 1.5 second swing timer Blade + Rondel = 1.8 second swing timer 2 Blade with 17% attack speed will have the same speed as Blade and Rondel, tested with lv13 Rogue. 2 Rondels with 23% attack speed will probably give you 1 second swing timer but will make some of your stats low such as Resilience, Critical and Accuracy if you were to use BG Shadow set and Resilience, Critical and HP if you were to use the lv17 Christmas set. Plus 5% penetration is about 20-30 damage. Why give up so much when you can just use 2 rondels or 1 blade + 1 rondel and get a decent attack speed instead of hitting 0.2 seconds faster while getting killed in a few hits and high risk of getting crit from other players. From my experience of using Rondels, you want more damage than more speed, penetration gives more damage. Blade is the weapon that needs speed. But the Blades now are designed for tankers with Parry in them, they should design one for Rogues and one for Deathknights with dark magic on it. gheylord speech bro ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megadethbr 3 Posted August 30, 2013 Author Share Posted August 30, 2013 Thnx for all comments....im not pro rogue/bd...i liked to know your different point of view... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay 2 Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Please read the speed formula post by miocco long time ago Dagger + dagger is not 1.7 Blade + blade is not 2.0 Try compare it when u only use 1 blade/dagger The speed calculation is not as simple like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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