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Azebu, with all the respect I think you are moving away from the original discussion point that bloody post in the thread, no offence in my statement, it's my opinion.

 

Saying "Basically speaking, Hitler was right."

 

and then

 

"Jews aren't a passive religion like christianity for instance. They have their own country, they are dicks to every non-jew.

I'm not a nazi, and don't hate them, but I don't like them either. Nothing good came from them.

Jews are bad. The world would've been better without them. If you disagree, please give good arguments, not "lol your retard gtfo xd"

 

..it's not a good way to start an opinion. Again, I'm not intending to offend you and if I do my apologizes.

 

It's ok, everyone can have differents opinions about religion, cultures, etc.. etc... and its a good thing to discuss them but always with respect and no provocation.

 

...Sry i had to remind all you of this because I have the feeling that the following posts will not be friendly.

 

P.D. I'm atheist, just to inform.-

 

Well, the discussion is mainly about jews and their circumstation ritual.

If anyone feels offended by people on internet, then he should kill himself. Jerks.

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Atheist scum. Really, are you 15?

I came back to the way of white recently. My life has gotten significally better. Do you know how different I felt after telling my sins after 3 years? I felt clean. I felt united. I felt changed.

Not gonna answer that big bang theory, because not even greatest scientist and religious minds can come to agreement. I believe it happened, but something had to fill the universe with all that shit to collide. Guess who?

About people dying and God abbandoning us. Jesus tells us about Heaven, and that you can only get to see it if you suffer in Earth life. He basically spares millions of starving children. WHY WON'T GOVERNMENT DO SOMETHING ABOUT PEOPLE DYING?! IT'S THEIR JOB TO KEEP US SAFE!!

now kill yourself faggot :3c

 

 

So....In the end I AM RIGHT!. thank you for your time :give_rose:

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Atheist scum. Really, are you 15?

I came back to the way of white recently. My life has gotten significally better. Do you know how different I felt after telling my sins after 3 years? I felt clean. I felt united. I felt changed.

Not gonna answer that big bang theory, because not even greatest scientist and religious minds can come to agreement. I believe it happened, but something had to fill the universe with all that shit to collide. Guess who?

About people dying and God abbandoning us. Jesus tells us about Heaven, and that you can only get to see it if you suffer in Earth life. He basically spares millions of starving children. WHY WON'T GOVERNMENT DO SOMETHING ABOUT PEOPLE DYING?! IT'S THEIR JOB TO KEEP US SAFE!!

now kill yourself faggot :3c

 

im not sure if youre american or not but quoted from Mitt Romney - its not the governments job to take care of its people... Some people dont believe in helping others, its sad.

 

Luckily im Swedish, where we had a strong socialistic background, and sweden has one of the worlds best social safety systems. Here most things are free until youre 18 - like healthcare and dentist. Medecince have a max limit - if you pay 300USD or more for medecine over 12months, the government gives you a free card for free medecine for 12months and it doesnt matter what medecines. same goes for healthcare for people over 18, if you pay 120USD for healthcare in one year, you get a free card for a year of free health care - and a doctor visit in sweden is 10USD. Its very lucky for my family since my wife has back problems and go to phy thearapist every week for free. Its very easy to get housing aid if you have children, you get disscounted daycare bills if youre low income, you get child support from the state for each child you have. Teens in school get 140USD a month from the state just for going to high school. Studying here at university/collage level is free (you only need to take care of living situation). Im thankful for what my state provides me everyday, cause i know im really lucky and ive seen the otherside.

 

And how come your life got so much better? Im sure anything you did you could have done the same yourself or with the people you love. Im sure it was your own work and love, not religions who got you back on track. Just how i look at it.

 

And i feel that we are way to advance and have a way to good understanding of the world to claim god made this and not evolution when its right there in black and white. You use fossil fuels everyday in your life, but apperantly dinasours are made up? One of my favorite things are from StarTrek where Cpt Piccard, overcoming religion as a obsticle, is a part of historic and technoligic evolution and every society in the galaxy haft to overcome this.

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Bloody you keep linking this with religion for some reason.  Yes the Jewish and certain Islam faiths follow this practice... but that's it.  I guess your religious bias has you believing that any health benefits to circumcision are simply "religious propaganda."  If you had an open mind, perhaps you would have done your own research.  55% of males in the United states are currently circumsized.  And that's percentage falls far short of the percentage of Muslim Americans and Jewish Americans.  So it isn't all religion.  In fact circumcision rates have fallen and in the US and an estimated $4 billion in additional health costs will be incurred as a result: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57497265-10391704/declining-circumcision-rates-may-add-$4-billion-in-u.s-health-care-costs-researchers-say/

I doubt very much the WHO (World Health Organization) would recommend circumcision in areas that have high HIV rates.  Furthermore it lowers your chances for UTI, penile cancer, and various other infections.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision

The American Association of Pediatrics, the MAYO Clinic, and numerous other secular health organizations also say the benefits outweigh the risk. 

So you're proud that you live in a country that has banned a proven beneficial medical procedure, restricts religious freedoms, and banned a practice that has been around since the Pyramids were built.  How very... facist of you.  I thought you lived in an age of "science" and might actually look at the studies, instead of buying into your national propaganda.  Good luck with your bigotry bloody.And now to talk about Sulti!  ;D Sorry your level of ignorance isn't worth a response.

 

Theirs no benefits to circumsitions aslong as you have water and soap and i think you forget that the body has its own ways of cleaning itself. The reason why they promote circumsitions in countries plauged by HIV is cause if you have sax with a HIV+ person, you have a small chance in hell that the virus dries out before infecting you, with that said aslong as you wash yourself after sex, their are no diffrence, circumsied and none-circumsised people have the same chance aslong as they wash themselves. And theirs a reason why most people need to pee after sex, its the bodies cleaning system, to wash out foreign bacterias and as we know pee is sterile. And since the air can dry out and kill bacteria, dont you think its bad for the penis to be constantly dry? thats why we have a foreskin to protect the head from the elements. Geez even females have a little cap over clitoris which is the equal, its suppose to be protected, its a delicate piece of equipment. Why do you think a circumsised penis loses alot of its feeling.

 

But i dont even know if it makes any diffrences in countries struggling with HIV, cause its a common belief in those countries that raping virgins is a cure for HIV. So with that level of knowledge and superstition, im sure the population believes circumstion is a protection against STDs which its most definately not.

 

I dont know how americans can cost 4billion more in healthcare issues cause circumsitions is going down. Ive never had any issues, ive never had a family member or friends with any problems and ive never heard or read in the news that gentalia issues would be a problem, as far as i know its extremly rare for men.

 

I admit i was way to upset posting this thread to begin with, but its a discussion odin, no need call people idiot. I didnt write this to convert circumsised people, i wrote this to make people think and its good that you take the otherside, otherwise theirs no discussion. If i can just make 1 person think about this before following tradtition or group pressure before deciding, my work here was a succes, even if the person later did circumsis hers/hes child - its about opening people eyes and minds. And not blindly follow religious people, the government or the mass of people around you. Like my wife she went against all 3 of those when she didnt circumsised our firstborn.

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You still haven't read any studies.  All you can say is "no it doesn't" and claim to be opening minds. 

Your mind would have to be open in the first place to do that.  But hey don't let the facts get in the way of your close minded argument right?  And please actually read my post so you don't misquote me.  I never said you're an idiot.  Just a close minded bigot, which shines through in your admittedly "too angry" post. 

 

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No I havent read any studies ive only had 2 children in wisconsin where nurses will tell you about it, give you pamplets and inform you - thats their job. And aslong as you wash yourself regurlarly its no diffrence. If you want to sacrifice comfort and feeling for a margin when it comes to STDs, just cause im to lazy to go to the bathroom. Ive heard from friends of family around me who have done this later in life - they are not happy, the price for this clean benefit and research is not worth it. I have heard it from people with real life experience not some report influeded by politics. By the way, how can a report really claim million of years of evolution to be wrong? If we didnt need it it would of fallen off thousands of years ago.

 

I admitted being to angry - by that meaning all those curses was to much, the message im behind a hundred procent.

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Theirs no benefits to circumsitions aslong as you have water and soap and i think you forget that the body has its own ways of cleaning itself. The reason why they promote circumsitions in countries plauged by HIV is cause if you have sax with a HIV+ person, you have a small chance in hell that the virus dries out before infecting you, with that said aslong as you wash yourself after sex, their are no diffrence, circumsied and none-circumsised people have the same chance aslong as they wash themselves. And theirs a reason why most people need to pee after sex, its the bodies cleaning system, to wash out foreign bacterias and as we know pee is sterile. And since the air can dry out and kill bacteria, dont you think its bad for the penis to be constantly dry? thats why we have a foreskin to protect the head from the elements. Geez even females have a little cap over clitoris which is the equal, its suppose to be protected, its a delicate piece of equipment. Why do you think a circumsised penis loses alot of its feeling.

 

But i dont even know if it makes any diffrences in countries struggling with HIV, cause its a common belief in those countries that raping virgins is a cure for HIV. So with that level of knowledge and superstition, im sure the population believes circumstion is a protection against STDs which its most definately not.

 

I dont know how americans can cost 4billion more in healthcare issues cause circumsitions is going down. Ive never had any issues, ive never had a family member or friends with any problems and ive never heard or read in the news that gentalia issues would be a problem, as far as i know its extremly rare for men.

 

I admit i was way to upset posting this thread to begin with, but its a discussion odin, no need call people idiot. I didnt write this to convert circumsised people, i wrote this to make people think and its good that you take the otherside, otherwise theirs no discussion. If i can just make 1 person think about this before following tradtition or group pressure before deciding, my work here was a succes, even if the person later did circumsis hers/hes child - its about opening people eyes and minds. And not blindly follow religious people, the government or the mass of people around you. Like my wife she went against all 3 of those when she didnt circumsised our >>>firstborn .

 

You guys gave birth to an elf!?? :shok: :shok: :shok:  Time for an Arrow of darkness :aggressive: :diablo:
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No I havent read any studies ive only had 2 children in wisconsin where nurses will tell you about it, give you pamplets and inform you - thats their job. And aslong as you wash yourself regurlarly its no diffrence. If you want to sacrifice comfort and feeling for a margin when it comes to STDs, just cause im to lazy to go to the bathroom. Ive heard from friends of family around me who have done this later in life - they are not happy, the price for this clean benefit and research is not worth it. I have heard it from people with real life experience not some report influeded by politics. By the way, how can a report really claim million of years of evolution to be wrong? If we didnt need it it would of fallen off thousands of years ago.

 

I admitted being to angry - by that meaning all those curses was to much, the message im behind a hundred procent.

 

 

So You'll ignore scientific studies because you "heard from a guy" who didn't like the procedure?  That's an interesting claim from a guy who claims to be living in an age of science.  Fact is the World Health Organization recommends it (not African tribes who think having sex with a virgin cures HIV) because studies showed roughly circumcised men were 50% less likely to contract HIV and other STDs. 

 

Also, the lower rate of penile cancer has nothing to do with cleanliness.  Bacterial infections can arise from contact with your own hands, and I haven't seen a penis washing station in a public restroom yet.  In some cases where the foreskin is "tied" too low and won't allow retraction over the glans these procedures are medically necessary to have a normal sex life.  Hopefully people with that condition don't live in your country which has banned the procedure. 

 

 

Again, with the "it would have fallen off argument."  Can you explain why you still have a coccyx?  Humans haven't needed a tail in a long time and yet the bone structure is still there?

 

You can be behind your message bloody.  It's fine for you to be on one side of this argument or the other.  It would be nice if you actually did some research, but either way it's fine to be uninformed on one side of this argument or the other.   

 

What isn't fine is your blatant bigotry towards people who don't think the way you do.  Banning religion? Banning medical procedures?  Blatant disgust towards people who don't think the way you do?  You think somehow you're different from a religious fundamentalist simply because you don't attach God to your rigid belief system.  You think you're open minded and accepting, and frankly, your belief system is just a rigid and unyielding as theirs. 

 

That bigotry isn't fine on any level. 

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Its not 50%, ive never met a nurse that have claimed that number. The american health sector claims it to be a very slight benefit.

 

Of course my country allows these procedures for medical reason, just not for the fun of cutting people. If theirs no health issues to adress what is their to fix?

 

Last time I checked my tail was gone. If it wasnt for x-ray you couldnt even tell, the taill is gone and the bones can in no way interact with the body. I dont think evolution needs to try harder, it did its job.

 

To me religion is just one more thing for people to make them feel diffrent from one another and mass control. It was fine when it was about worshiping spirits for crops growth and luck. How many people have died and killed in the name of religion. How many people live in fear everyday cause what they believe isnt the standard of their country or area.

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Experimental evidence was needed to establish a causal relationship between lack of circumcision and HIV, so three randomized controlled trials were commissioned as a means to reduce the effect of any confounding factors.[42] Trials took place in South Africa,Kenya and Uganda.[13] All three trials were stopped early by their monitoring boards on ethical grounds, because those in the circumcised group had a lower rate of HIV contraction than the control group.[13] The results showed that circumcision reduced vaginal-to-penile transmission of HIV by 60%, 53%, and 51%, respectively.[13] A meta-analysis of the African randomised controlled trials found that the risk in circumcised males was 0.44 times that in uncircumcised males, and that 72 circumcisions would need to be performed to prevent one HIV infection. The authors also stated that using circumcision as a means to reduce HIV infection would, on a national level, require consistently safe sexual practices to maintain the protective benefit.[43]

As a result of these findings, the WHO and the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS) stated that male circumcision is an efficacious intervention for HIV prevention but should be carried out by well trained medical professionals and under conditions of informed consent.

 

 

You know those pesky facts keep getting in the way.  I guess you haven't met enough nurses? 

Coccyx, Arrector Pili, Tonsils, Appendix, Gall Bladder, Wisdom Teeth all had perhaps a vital role in human development in ancient form of humans, however currently can be done without... and yet we still have them? Simply amazing. 

 

However I'll leave the circumcision alone for a bit since you just use anecdotal evidence to counter studies.  Here is the crux of your bigotry:

To me religion is just one more thing for people to make them feel diffrent from one another and mass control. It was fine when it was about worshiping spirits for crops growth and luck. How many people have died and killed in the name of religion. How many people live in fear everyday cause what they believe isnt the standard of their country or area.

 

So your response is to ban something and create that same level of fear because someone thinks differently than you?  For you not to recognize that there is no difference between them and you is shocking to me.  Power and control and war would exist with or without religion.  The excuses would simply be different.

 

Frankly, Atheist band together for the same reason as religious people.  They all desperately want to feel better about how they see the world, and you're no different adhering to your rigid beliefs than they are. 

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