Sandels

To be fair, only chief due to resist, being able to eat a few hits and heal can tank a good seeker for even few seconds and perhaps hunter if its not in invis, can even tank a top tier seeker for even the duration of their stuns, barb can probably tank till the stuns are over but has no dmg to outdmg a seekers heals from ls, skills or pots scrolls. Aswell as if you dare to stun the seeker, they heal FULL amount from distos, making the job even harder.

To be fair, only chief due to resist, being able to eat a few hits and heal can tank a good seeker for even few seconds and perhaps hunter if its not in invis, can even tank a top tier seeker for even the duration of their stuns, barb can probably tank till the stuns are over but has no dmg to outdmg a seekers heals from ls, skills or pots scrolls. Aswell as if you dare to stun the seeker, they heal FULL amount from distos, making the job even harder.

you see them everyday in arenas and other places and youd be surprised how many of them are actually booked, its just that if its not a chief, they die just as fast with 15 books as with 0 cause they have no counterplay to elves. Theres a reason why you only really see orci chiefs in fights when things get hard, and the reason is that other classes simply cant do a thing against good elves no matter if theyre booked or not.
 
And that is exactly why i say, if they decide to nerf chief, they better buff the shit outta other mc classes or theres no hope for mc.

idk, never seen them tank for a long time like wardens and palas that can go for up to a minute easily and if its just 1 guy hitting them, pretty much forever until trash enough luck or they kill the guy hitting them. dont know whether or not you got all the newest talents on your fresh bd either. I see maxed out, even booked dks just get deleted in a matter of seconds when people actually focus them. Feel free to try to catch a clip vs a dk to prove me wrong, a fair one at that, for example you with 0 buffs taking a while to kill a fully buffed dk is not a fair comparison.

i see dks getting deleted from existence in 5 seconds by any good seekers, bds, mages, beastmasters, anything that has good dmg and if they use their best tank setups possible, they can tank for perhaps another 5 seconds while losing every other ability they would otherwise have.

Its not like you can freely attack the commander anyway. Castles nowadays are mostly either free at guard or 2 alliances vs each other in guard room so theres alot more to it than hitting 1 guy who "cant die". And in Eu theres been an orci book user as commader 1 time so it clearly has never been a problem with the book so why you suddenly claim it is a problem now.
 
While chief surely is on the better side of pvp classes in mc side, its just how the game is, some classes perform better than others in both elf and mc sides. In addition there havent been much problems with chiefs afterall, the only problematic ones are those with orci and fully booked ones like every class with books, so its not a problem with the class. As you mentioned here, youve been able to kill them even though all considered it should be practically impossible as people here claim. People with sea books are hard to beat but certainly not impossible.
 
In general, i do believe this is more of a server problem rather than a problem with the mechanics, in Eu especially 90% of people copy each others builds and no one even tries different setups and there arent that many people who are pvp focused and have the correct class/pt combinations, or books needed to perform well, let alone even maxed equips and amps. This is not just sea book people but in general, if you put lets say 2 priests vs 2 chiefs ofc u have 0 chance of winning, you need the right setup to win vs certain pts and this becomes more important when fighting people with many books, especially sea ones. You cant complain about something you cant win if you dont have the right tools to fight them in the first place. This was about arena mainly.
 
1-2 chiefs with orci books or any classes with sea books make no difference in any mass fights where there are 50+ people who all as a whole affect the outcome. If theres 50+ people or in most gvgs, 100-200 people who all affect the outcome, having 2 chiefs there with orci books makes zero difference and its just insane to even think of that.

Its not like you can freely attack the commander anyway. Castles nowadays are mostly either free at guard or 2 alliances vs each other in guard room so theres alot more to it than hitting 1 guy who "cant die". And in Eu theres been an orci book user as commader 1 time so it clearly has never been a problem with the book so why you suddenly claim it is a problem now.
 
While chief surely is on the better side of pvp classes in mc side, its just how the game is, some classes perform better than others in both elf and mc sides. In addition there havent been much problems with chiefs afterall, the only problematic ones are those with orci and fully booked ones like every class with books, so its not a problem with the class. As you mentioned here, youve been able to kill them even though all considered it should be practically impossible as people here claim. People with sea books are hard to beat but certainly not impossible.
 
In general, i do believe this is more of a server problem rather than a problem with the mechanics, in Eu especially 90% of people copy each others builds and no one even tries different setups and there arent that many people who are pvp focused and have the correct class/pt combinations, or books needed to perform well, let alone even maxed equips and amps. This is not just sea book people but in general, if you put lets say 2 priests vs 2 chiefs ofc u have 0 chance of winning, you need the right setup to win vs certain pts and this becomes more important when fighting people with many books, especially sea ones. You cant complain about something you cant win if you dont have the right tools to fight them in the first place. This was about arena mainly.
 
1-2 chiefs with orci books or any classes with sea books make no difference in any mass fights where there are 50+ people who all as a whole affect the outcome. If theres 50+ people or in most gvgs, 100-200 people who all affect the outcome, having 2 chiefs there with orci books makes zero difference and its just insane to even think of that.

Good guide.