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A bad time in our day, 20 innocent children die in New Town, Connecticut  :cray: They all had a life to come, they could have helped this world be back in place with peace and love  :cray: Also to the teachers who took their lives to save the students  :cray: What is our world coming to!? They will be in better place now

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Idk man, I could never imagine a school shooting at a elemtery school. That has to be the new f*cking low. I dont want to start a fight but f*ck, americans cant you see what all your guns are doing? Doing to your children... I have american in-laws and my father-in-law is ex military and a huge pro gun person, but theirs no way we can see eye to eye on guns. Living in Sweden a country were you pretty much cant guy a gun unless its a hunting rifle (and im talking single bullet rifles or light shotguns) it is just beyond me how it can be legal for a person to own military graded weapons? Does that make sense? And was it in colorado I think before the shooting they legalised gun-wearing at bars... yes lets bring alcohol and guns together it will be fin, NOT!

 

And I know theirs check-ups and safty protocols for buying guns, but the problem isnt the direct retail, they dont sell guns to crazy people, I hope. The biggest problem is that theirs so many and they are so easy to obtain anywhere. And im not saying illegal gang-guns any type of gun can be obtained by anyone cause their everywhere. In sweden atleast a person haft to try really f*cking hard just to get a hold of a handgun without getting caught. Americans love to blame illegal guns for these things, but you know, it never seems like it is. Its always registered guns that kill the innocent. And you want your guns for protection, but how many people die or have accidents with registered guns? And how often have they protected?

 

The right to wear a gun was written in a time when the brittish still wanted rule over american colonies. This right to wear fire arm is outdated by 200 years the brittish are gone. You got law enforcement, leave the gun handleing to the professionals.

 

I hope so bad obama can strain the wealthy gun nuts, cause its always about money. This wasnt the last time unless things change ALOT.

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I dont want to start a fight but f*ck, americans cant you see what all your guns are doing?

 

Yes you do or you wouldn't have posted a curse filled diatribe about how terrible guns are. 

 

You've again not looked at facts or stats and you argue from a place of emotion not logic. 

 

If you want I can explain how wrong you are, just let me know. It will end like our last argument though if you want to give it a go. 

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The whole world is looking at the US (this has been on the news every day since it happened and every magazine) to restrain their crazy gun use. I mean it every news-reporter from europe wants the US to stop handing out guns like candy except for the americans themselves. So odin when do you need your gun? And is it ok to carry a gun to a bar?

 

you see I live in a free and safe country where I can leave my house doors unlocked or even open over night or any other time of the day. I can leave my car unlocked downtown and still pick it up a day later. I dont need a gun, we have a safe society. Like Canada - free health care and safty like it should be. I like Canada.

 

and btw about the other issue, a court in köln, germany just sentenced people for that procedure and equalized it with physical abuse. It was proper done, europeans just dont like hurting healthy people.

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Sorry Bloody, but you are wrong.

Guns get banned, and then guess what. Shootings will happen more often.

Bad people will get guns through illegal way, like drugs dealers. But Good people won't be able to defend themselves.

 

You know why Adam killed this many kids? The following is a quote from a teacher in that school.

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Well if that was the reason hire armed guards for the schools, its not the teachers job to pack guns. And I dont believe that banning guns will increase illegal gun use. Why doesnt this ahppen in europe where guns can be extremly hard to obtain? Were I grew up theirs 2 servecing policemen on a population of 8000 people and nothing serious ever happened, if you make the people happy, give them health care, hope and trust something to believe in, then the chance of bad things happening will be so much less.

 

In us jails, inmates pay rent more or less. How is a ex-con in det to the staate with 6usd an hour not going to turn to a life of crime. He'll never have a chance or hope again. It might sound unbelievable to you but here tax payers money goes to ex-cons so they have a chance to start over. And sure they turn bad again to, but some take the chance when given and start providing for secioty again.

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Well if that was the reason hire armed guards for the schools, its not the teachers job to pack guns. And I dont believe that banning guns will increase illegal gun use. Why doesnt this ahppen in europe where guns can be extremly hard to obtain? Were I grew up theirs 2 servecing policemen on a population of 8000 people and nothing serious ever happened, if you make the people happy, give them health care, hope and trust something to believe in, then the chance of bad things happening will be so much less.

 

In us jails, inmates pay rent more or less. How is a ex-con in det to the staate with 6usd an hour not going to turn to a life of crime. He'll never have a chance or hope again. It might sound unbelievable to you but here tax payers money goes to ex-cons so they have a chance to start over. And sure they turn bad again to, but some take the chance when given and start providing for secioty again.

 

They didn't have anything to stop him. Tazers, Baseball bat, nothing.

It's America, LAND OF FREEDOM.

That shithole is beyond saving, sadly.

 

I heard somewhere 'Take away guns, people will use knives. Take away knives, people will use stones. Take away stones, people will use their own fists.'

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But whats going to happen when all schools have armed guards. Then these murderers will go to walmart, cause over there they can find alot of easy targets. I dont think arming every person in the us is a sulotion, cause one of those whos suppose to protect will be the perpertratior. My fathrr in law got 7 diffrent fire arms that I dont agree to and hes a very good person. But still when does he need 7 guns? And he got it all from 9mm hand gun to full automatic rifles :o

 

even if everyone has guns a perpertratior will do more dmg before getting shoot then if he only had a knife and rest of the people were unarmed.

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The whole world is looking at the US (this has been on the news every day since it happened and every magazine) to restrain their crazy gun use. I mean it every news-reporter from europe wants the US to stop handing out guns like candy except for the americans themselves. So odin when do you need your gun? And is it ok to carry a gun to a bar?

I hope I never need my gun, but I'd rather have it an not need it than need it and not have it.  In some states you can bring it into bars, some you can't. 

 

you see I live in a free and safe country where I can leave my house doors unlocked or even open over night or any other time of the day. I can leave my car unlocked downtown and still pick it up a day later. I dont need a gun, we have a safe society. Like Canada - free health care and safty like it should be. I like Canada.

 

Ah don't look now but your air of judgemental moral superiority is showing.  Too bad you don't actually use facts, just emotions and "feelings." 

btw about the other issue, a court in köln, germany just sentenced people for that procedure and equalized it with physical abuse. It was proper done, europeans just dont like hurting healthy people.

 

Funny how you didn't decide to argue further on that topic once you actually had a study in front of your face, and stopped basing your ignorant views on feelings and emotions. Let's see if you do the same. 

Here's a study for you to look at, it compares the murder rates per capita in countries with strict gun laws versus countries without strict gun laws.  It's funny, the highest per capita murder rates in Europe were in the 9 countries with the strictest gun control laws.  The bottom 9 countries in per capita murder rates, had the least stringent gun control laws.  http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

It's from Harvard which isn't exactly a bastion of right wing gun nuts.  I imagine you'll counter with some anecdotal evidence about how you hug your neighbors and your land is filled with rainbows and gum drops instead of actually reading and learning something. 

The fact remains, these things happen regardless of whether you outlaw guns or not.  Norway has very strict gun laws and it didn't stop their child massacre.  Timothy McVeigh used diesel fuel and fertalizer to kill far more women and children in Oklahoma.  Should we ban that too?  The same day in China a man stabbed 22 children?  Should we ban knives? 

The facts are that an armed populace is the best defense against when a mentally unstable person decides to try to take lives.  This guy attempted to kill a bunch of people in a crowded theater yesterday.  He hit one patron (who is fine) before he was gunned down by an off duty police officer. http://www.mysanantonio.com/default/article/Breakup-sparked-theater-shootout-4123414.php 

Zero casualties when the local populace is armed.  69 in Norway when no one is armed. 

You cannot blame the tools for these deaths, any more than a fat person can blame their spoon.  There are more guns than adults in the US.  The fact remains that crime has declined steadily over the past 30 years, and despite the perception your media would like you to ingest, mass shooting are on the decline as well.  Stop having an emotional knee jerk reaction and try to actually educate yourself. 

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Quoting the american band - panzer ag from their song god eats god

 

'fight fire with fire - everything will burn'

 

honestly I think the only way to have stopped this it should have been seen by a doctor or psyciatrist or family around him years ago in his teens. It had been to late for awhile... Maybe work on that healthcare instead of supporting the worlds gun industri.

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Quoting the american band - panzer ag from their song god eats god

 

'fight fire with fire - everything will burn'

 

honestly I think the only way to have stopped this it should have been seen by a doctor or psyciatrist or family around him years ago in his teens. It had been to late for awhile... Maybe work on that healthcare instead of supporting the worlds gun industri.

 

I think it's not that.

People going apeshit over end of world

Guess how many people will think 'I'll die anyway, so why not have fun and play my Duty Calls in real life?'

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honestly I think the only way to have stopped this it should have been seen by a doctor or psyciatrist or family around him years ago in his teens. It had been to late for awhile... Maybe work on that healthcare instead of supporting the worlds gun industri.

 

Wow you mean your country's health care system can cure mental disabilities?  Amazing, I didn't know schizophrenia, autism, asbergers etc, had been cured in your fantasy land of sunshine and candy.  I guess I missed the news on that one.  Btw I'll reply again when you have an actual factual argument to make.
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Truth is fat Americans too fat to defend themselves from attackers so fatlords must buy guns and mount their lazy ass on a couch with a shotgun aimed at the door....

fattys  :bomb:

 

 

I AM RIGHT

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I dunno if you heard about this, but the shooting in cinema, remember that?

They didn't react because they thought the gun was someone clapping rapidly.

 

I don't get the clapping in cinema.

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Wow you mean your country's health care system can cure mental disabilities?  Amazing, I didn't know schizophrenia, autism, asbergers etc, had been cured in your fantasy land of sunshine and candy.  I guess I missed the news on that one.  Btw I'll reply again when you have an actual factual argument to make.

 

no not cure, but I believe my country can spot them and help them in higher rates then the US. And the fact that theirs not guns under every pillow here. Make sure these people cant just go and take their parents/partners/friends gun and go bananas. I work with these kind of people and the person I work with have thretened his mom with knives, really want to make guns availible for him? Here you can get any healthcare for free and if youre under 18 the goverment aid resources are almost endless. My wifes step-dad just got suspected to have cancer, but he needs 800usd for only the examination to confirm this. Who can afford healthcare in america? Hes already in det cause of previous hospital visits. Im sorry but the american system only favor the rich and everyone wants to keep his money his and not help out others. Aslong as my taxes pay for healthcare and benefits for the needy or in any other way come to good use I say raise my taxes. Society needs to be built on a collective and safety and hope for ALL. Not 1% mega rich that creates 20% of all jobs in america. Think that 1% evers going to get less so that the 20% they employ gets it better?

 

it was only last june we had the batman massacre, no changes and it happened again and it will again... Im sorry.

 

I saw on the news now obama is 'banning certain automatic weapons', makes me sad he didnt try harder, thats far from good enough.

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You didn't address a single thing in that study.  You presented no facts or logical arguments.  You didn't even have any statistics on your own healthcare efficiency. 

 

All you can say is:

but I believe

 

 

The facts remain unchanged despite your anecdotes and "beliefs." 

 

You don't actually want to educate yourself on this topic.  You'd much rather build a soap box out of dead children and sit on your cloud of judgement handing down life lessons to all the poor sinners who don't "believe" the way you do.  That's truly disgusting. 

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You can keep ignoring your countries issues odin, but americas system only favors the wealthy. If your a part of that people, good for you, but I have family in americas low class and I know they get nothing. Youd think that the worlds biggest economy would have one of the best wellfare systems, but the rich of america have made sure america got one of the worst of the developed industrial countries in the world. Again look at canada.

 

Maybe you should talk to my wife, what she thinks of the american way after experience how we help everyone of our citizens in sweden. O ya I forgot, you dont even haft to be a citizen, when my wife was pregnant the 2nd time our swedish midwife gave us free medical visits even though her papers wasnt done (everything around pregnancy and babies are free here)

 

Sweden have no guns and one of the lowest punishments in the world, but also one of the lowest crime rates. You can fight crimes with more then cops and guns. If you give people help, food, health, jobs and hope, that can prevent just as much crime or more then pumping money into gun industri and law enforcement.

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Funny, you try to change the topic to some comparison of your secular socialism compared to US capitalism instead of actually addressing any of the arguments and studies I've put forth.  However I'll be happy to debunk your argument on crime rates:

 

 

Actually your crime statistics aren't lower than the rest of the world.  Just your gun crime rates.  Again you don't have facts.  Your rape rate is the second highest in the world per capita.  Too bad Swedish women can't defend themselves with a gun:

 

"Sweden has the highest rape rate in Europe, author Naomi Wolf said on the BBC's Newsnight programme recently."

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19592372

 

"The Swedish police recorded the highest number of offences - about 63 per 100,000 inhabitants - of any force in Europe, in 2010. The second-highest in the world."

 

Compared to a US State (Georgia) with the same population as Sweden let's look at the numbers:http://www.verumserum.com/?p=925

Assault: Georgia – 22,409, Sweden – 72,645.

Burglary: Georgia – 79,834, Sweden – 113,604

Robbery: Georgia – 13,801, Sweden – 9,398

Larceny: Georgia – 234,444, Sweden – 372,882

Motor-Vehicle Theft: Georgia – 43,414, Sweden – 56,719

 

 

You talk a good game but the statistics don't back you up.  Still waiting for a comment from you with any actual facts to debate. 

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Oh odin I get we'll never see eye to eye since youre a hardcore rightwing believer. Ok odin lets say the US is better then sweden (theoricly) on all crimes except for gun-related crime. Then how come the US have 9 times more prisoners then sweden seen to population/prisoner-ratio. Wouldnt that haft to mean the US have massive amounts of gun-violence to have that much more prisoners? Wouldnt you want to fix that? And how would you like to fix it?

 

Last year sweden had 16 shootings/gun-violence over the whole year. This thanksgiving the city of chicago alone in one night had around 50 shootings. Theirs parts in northen milwakuee where my wife has been (lost) asking for directions to concerts. Where people have urged her to leave before she would end up mugged, raped or shoot. Thats so scary, not even in Stockholm or Malmö have I ever heard of stories like that.

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Oh odin I get we'll never see eye to eye since youre a hardcore rightwing believer.

 

Nope, I'm just a critical thinker who comes to my own conclusions after using available data.  You should try it instead of regurgitating what you've been taught not to question. 

 

Then how come the US have 9 times more prisoners then sweden seen to population/prisoner-ratio. Wouldnt that haft to mean the US have massive amounts of gun-violence to have that much more prisoners?

 

No genius that doesn't mean we have to have more violence.  If you exclude drug convictions you eliminate nearly half of the current prison population. 

 

I won't comment on the rest of your post because you have nothing but "stories.".  Still you have no counter for the facts.  The statistics prove it out over time.  I thought we lived in an age of science and reason and you want people to trust your stories?  How religiously ironic. 

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No im pretty sure you you said all crimes were worse in sweden including drugs. That left me only with gun related crimes. Why dont they qualify now? Drugs are not serious or nothing it only ruins people and families - but thats just a minor thing right.

 

My wifes cousin is a cop in milwuakee, these are not stories. It is what happened in chicago during this thanksgiving. Feel free to call CPD.

 

It was roughly 6 months between the batman massacre and newtown, how long is it until next time?I guess only time will tell, maybe next massacre you will think about if guns really is the solution. But until then. Im going to keep sleeping with my house unlocked and americans are going to die from gun-violence every day.

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Let me help you out.

You said this:

Sweden have no guns and one of the lowest punishments in the world, but also one of the lowest crime rate

 

And I pointed out that no your crime rate is the same or worse in the case of rape especially.

 

Then you said this:

Then how come the US have 9 times more prisoners then sweden seen to population/prisoner-ratio. Wouldnt that haft to mean the US have massive amounts of gun-violence to have that much more prisoners?     

 

And I pointed out the fallacy of your argument that more prisoners somehow equals more violence.  Sorry not true either.  Drugs are nonviolent incarceration.  Hence more prisoners does not mean more violence.  Btw I was wrong its 57% of incarceration in the US are for drugs.

 

Again you only look at single events instead of trends and facts, and you can't even form a cogent argument.  And yes  they are just stories.  They might be factual stories but they're still just stories.

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Why would 57% of the incarcerated be fine, because they're drug related?  Drugs aren't OK, there's tons of violence surrounding drugs, both internationally, group-related, and in peoples home. I don't know why you're trying to say this is "fine". People ruin their lives and families to that sh*t, I don't view drugs as a lesser crime or to be viewed as OK. How many of those prison inmates are repetitive offenders to OTHER crimes aside from drugs? Many times the people who get caught for drugs have other felony charges/misdemeanor charges against them. How is that ok?

 

We´ll see how much of a single event this was, it's not like it hasn't occured repeatedly already...

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How exactly do people get into prison if not for some sort of crime? Crime is often lead by violence. Maybe the reason they are in prison isn't always to be correlated to violence but you know, people get charged with more than one thing at a time and sentenced and a lot of times the lesser charges get dropped. People make deals so that he/she will plead guilty to the major charges and justice can be served and they don't feel like they have to face the death sentence in some places or, to have a have a chance at parole. A lot of people facing the death sentence will opt to take whatever deal their attorney's and DA can come up with. That doesn't really mean that they go to prison strictly for smoking pot-and that's all. Usually, you don't go to PRISON because you have a speeding ticket or a joint in your pocket. People have to accumulate a record before the court says "enough" or be involved in some sort of crime that just cannot be tolerated (i.e. Murder).

I'm Bloody's wife. My cousin doesn't tell stories, he just states the truth of his job. It is sad that they have to assign police offices in some places to RIDE the BUS to deter murder and other crimes.

But you know, you seem to know it all. You might be right, after all, it's REALLY FREAKIN SCARY that I have to lock my bike or face it possibly being stolen O.o Oh no!!! What will I do??? You could leave your car unlocked and parked down town and park you darn bicycle next to it unlocked..you can sleep with your windows open and the door flung wide open..the next day you might find the neighbors cat in your house and the bike MIGHT be gone..but everything in your home and car will still be there. Crime. Wow..someone better call the cops and get my bike back or I'll be real mad. Someone better go to prison for stealing my bike-and when they recover it, they better do a rape kit on it!

You have a lot to say but, honestly, I think it's just talk. I have never once been afraid here to walk alone, go shopping, or let my kids outside. Some people can't say that in the U.S. I don't know a soul back home that would be willing to let their child sleep unattended in their little stroller outside for fear that the kid might get nabbed. Here, lots of people do that, they just let the baby sleep in peace right outside the window and no one has reported a kidnapping yet. Not where I live anyway. The biggest crime here, in our city, is stealing bikes. Mostly because young drunk kids don't want to walk home-or worse-drive!!!!

So much for being worse than the U.S.

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Your both ridiculous lol.  So intent on keeping your head in the sand when faced with facts so you may continue seeing your world through rose colored glasses.

 

You've changed the subject so many times because when faced with the statistics you have nothing but another anecdote.

 

Here are the facts: 

Fact: Prohibition doesn't work.  In major cities like Chicago or New York where a hand gun ban is in effect, murder rates increased at a higher rate than the national average.  41% increase despite the national rate being 15%. 

Fact: These shootings take place at soft targets where legal gun owners are not permitted to carry.  Schools theaters malls all fall into that category. 

Fact: When these shootings take place in a gun free zone the average casualty rate is 18 deaths.  When they take place in a zone where guns are permitted the average casualty rate is 2 deaths. 

Fact: Despite the 24 hour news cycles indications otherwise Mass shootings are down as is crime over the past 30 years.

Fact: Countries with strict gun laws see an increase in crime across the board upon implementation of the ban. 

Read the Harvard study for citations.  Maybe you'll both learn something. 

 

Or maybe you'll keep changing the subject to illustrate how much better "your way" is or perhaps you'll tell more stories of how babies can be left unattended for hours in the land of unicorns and sunshine for days at a time lol.  However the facts remain unchanged no matter how many stories you tell. 

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Ridiculous? Why? Because I asked questions and you failed to answer any of them? You have clearly avoided anything when you have been asked. And Prohinition? Who was even talking about that? It wasn't even brought up, not that I have read anyway.

Prohibition only has to do with alcohol. It has nothing to do with illegal drugs or guns. I didn't change any subject. I wasn't telling you stories either, if I did, you would know it because I would probably tell you something like "Snow White". I never said that I lived in a fairy tale world. I just simply told you my experience and how it was where I live-you can't seem to handle that very well. I have seen and witnessed it with my own eyes and wouldn't bother making something up so mundane  as babies sleeping outside! lol

You claim to have evidence and and facts but show us nothing. Where's the links? Information? As for your "24 hour news cycle"...yeah..really??? You believe the media? Wow. Why? In part, they are to blame for this shit!

"Whoever controls the media, controls the mind." -Jim Morrison

Looks like you susceptible and easily impressionable by the media. I wouldn't rely on them to save my soul. There is always a side to a story left out, or changed. You need to dig deeper, read more than one source, and so on and so forth.

Here is some information for you to read:

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Sweden/United-States/Crime

 

I'm not saying Sweden is better than anywhere else in the world. But, you keep insisting that the crime rate here is so much higher than the U.S.  Just so we are clear, again, I never said it was a perfect world here. I just know what I know about the places I have lived and I know that my family is safe here. I'm happy here and the crime is low. I don't need a gun to feel safe.

You seriously need to get over yourself and let other people have opinions. When it comes down to it, it doesn't matter if you think you are right or not. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, end of story.

 

 

 

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I love it how you always find these studies, but then the US is on of the few countries of the world using whatever you are argumenting for. You would think that if youre studies were so flawless that atleast some country in lets say europe would tale that study seriously and follow the US way. But on the other hand countries like germany illegalize curcumsition that was americas health gift to man, why would germans do that? And appearantly guns is the salvation to man, but still all of europe is looking at the US wondering when they are going to stop the madneess. Why wouldnt europes top politicians beleive your studies? Anyone can order a study including the NRA. Everything in the US is private universities need funding and which people in the US have the money to fund that?

 

I hope you dont have kids odin, cause many studies have shown your fire arm is way more likely to be in home accidents then actual 'protection'. And id really want to know how much of us gun-violence is in protective purpose of all offfenses commited.

 

I guess we'll have this discussion next massacre again...

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I love it how you always find these studies, but then the US is on of the few countries of the world using whatever you are argumenting for.

 

It's hilarious to me that you've made so many assumptions about me.  You don't have a clue what I'm arguing "for" because I haven't made any.  All I've done is point out that your arguments are bogus and based on "this one time I heard from a guy x y z.".

 

I'm ignoring your wife sorry she's missing the point entirely, and either jumped in too late or suffers from lack of reading comprehension.  As for why Germany and other European nations wouldnt do likewise, I don't know.  Perhaps they prefer restricting religion and having a disarmed populace who knows?  I don't make sweeping generalizations about people from an assumed moral high ground like yourself. 

 

I hope you dont have kids odin, cause many studies have shown your fire arm is way more likely to be in home accidents then actual 'protection'. And id really want to know how much of us gun-violence is in protective purpose of all offfenses commited.

 

Wow I guess I'll return this one in kind.  I hope you don't have a daughter because studies show she's more likely to be raped there than anywhere else. 

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You know what Odie? Keep your gun. I'll be watching from over here as the rest of America shoots itself silly.

 

:shok: America just has people known from Saint that was a bad choice, not our fault we live in a possessed world
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America is just pants-on-head retarded.

 

Feminists started to ban "sexual offenders" from the internet for things like "make me a sandwich woman". How can You get cleaned? You can't, You male sexist pig rapist scum.

As a sign of unity with this shooting, people throw away their videogames.

Black Fridays.

 

That's off top of my head

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  • 2 months later...

Bloodylipa maybe you, as well as many other Europeans, are looking at it differently than we in the US are. Nobody wants their guns taken away, we just don't. However I HAVE heard from many (this also went through my mind) that there should be a MANDATORY drug screening every month or every OTHER month for those that do own guns and a mandatory psychological analysis exam done every 6 months. Most of the gun crime in America is founded from a psychological issue, drugs, or even money problems(such as the idiots gambling away their lives in Las Vegas). I will admit, when I have enough money I will be the FIRST to leave America because of the fact that I KNOW America is going to crash. Look at every single democracy ever previously made in the world, after a lasting period of time they've ALL fallen, and that's exactly what the US is going to do. I don't wanna be stuck in the middle of that when it happens. The healthcare system, well I don't agree with our President's decisions on that one, but I do know that when my mom gave birth to me 16 years ago and then my brother and sister, it didn't cost her a dime (the fact that we are a military family may also have factored in to that). I don't blame Europeans for having their biased judgments on America, because we have only given them reasons to have those judgments. As well as that, we have our judgments of Europeans. The stereotypical  European looks like a snob to us because when roaming in London, just basing off of them, a LOT of them looked high class even though they were just middle class. The thing the majority of us Americans don't see is that a lot of your currencies are twice the amount of ours, technically making you "richer" in our eyes. I don't know what the average salary is for a working person in any of the European countries, I'm just stating this as an example. A person with 100 Euros basically has 200 U.S. dollars. I'm not trying to argue, that is not at all my intention. I was just trying to resolve some of the thoughts that might be running in your mind about Americans. Not all of us are the same, you know.

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