Paladin Expert Skills

[Dtravsh47 0]

I want to build PVE pala that is good for lab, dg, all that good stuff.

I want some advice on what experts to choose and which ones to lvl up to 4/4.

I would like to have a full life steal Pala with [Magic Dmg] One Handed Mace + Shield and probably a lot of def.  (Wanna hv as much M Power as i can get)

 

https://ws-db.ru/calculator#23524 Consider the following build

 

 

[Speedom 281]

Banner 4/4.. Pala best offense skill for all situation.

[Gladiator 1145]

Lvl 26?

4/4 Illumination, 3/4 Banner.

[Dtravsh47 0]

1 hour ago, Gladiator said:

Lvl 26?

4/4 Illumination, 3/4 Banner.

What about "Light Defence" 

I found this:

at 4/4 From 5229 P Def -> 7958 and from 2155 M Def -> 2905

I also want to know how much Dmg "Sacred Shie" absorbs.

 

All i know right now is that at lvl 28 i`ll have 4/4 Harard`s Banner and 4/4 one of the following skills:

1. Illumination

2. Sacred Shield

3. Light Defence

Which one should i pick and why?

 

Please give arguments  

 

 

[I also hv another problem. Is it ok if the basic skills look like this (5/5 heal, 5/5 aura, 3/5 fetters of justice) ?. If not, why?]

[I also wonder what happens in this scenario: 2 palas place their banners on the floor. Mobs will receive dmg from both banners ?]

[Gladiator 1145]

For lvl28, Illumination and Banner 4/4 + High life steal, it is really good in dealing big damage and maintaining survival with life steal from AoE damage. Also keeping melee mobs away with fetters (5/5). That's the best dg build with magic setup imo.

 

If you can't get high life steal then Illumination will kill you in higher level dungs, agroing all mobs on you. So you could try Light Defense, I haven't really tried that skill - didn't even buy it, because I didn't like its numbers. I saw from other paladins, it doesn't really help that much. Moreover, in your 1h build, its % increase won't be too effective, because you already have high Def, and after a certain point the more def you get the less effective it gets. So don't be tricked with that 40% def addition on the base defense. It could mean only +~5% def or so. That's why I don't like it, and it is bad.

 

And about Sacred Shield, it is literally the worst Expert. As far as I remember, it depends on your HP (Pala is the lowest HP tank, ironically). It absorbs very little damage and has very high cd of 40 secs.

 

And yes, Banner's damage stacks, but the buffs don't. 

[Speedom 281]

Light is really good. 40% defense for 60sec at 4/4. 90sec cd.. Pretty much 30sec cd using the skill. Plus, that skill can stack with Druid. Imagine having a pala to support for pve on strong boss with Warden as tank. Warden will have their full def build with, banner buff, both aura buff(priest and pala), bare skin from druid. If there's a mage, why dragon eye lol. Pro defense warden will only get scratch. That sounds sexy

[Speedom 281]

So it's what you want from your pala. But sacred shield only good for pve(barely). Highly don't recommend you waisting 40K 

[Gladiator 1145]

30 minutes ago, Speedom said:

Light is really good. 40% defense for 60sec at 4/4. 90sec cd.. Pretty much 30sec cd using the skill. Plus, that skill can stack with Druid. Imagine having a pala to support for pve on strong boss with Warden as tank. Warden will have their full def build with, banner buff, both aura buff(priest and pala), bare skin from druid. If there's a mage, why dragon eye lol. Pro defense warden will only get scratch. That sounds sexy

You really waste 3 skill points that will remain useless unless that scenario happens. Also there is hardly that boss, where you need that much defensive buffs. Even in bosses like Elm, you need to have high level AoE agro as a tank.

And again, don't just look at the basic numbers, I mean you see it 6k Def, which is about 48-49%. When you use the skill, it will add 40% to get around 8.4k that's around 55-56%. You see the difference? Just about 8% actual damage reduction. So like a 600 damage from a hard boss will become like 550. Feel the waste of 3 skill points yet?

Edited July 6, 2017 by Gladiator

[Speedom 281]

I wasn't saying to do that build. I just trying to get a random convo. 

[Dtravsh47 0]

On ‎7‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 7:24 PM, Gladiator said:

For lvl28, Illumination and Banner 4/4 + High life steal, it is really good in dealing big damage and maintaining survival with life steal from AoE damage. Also keeping melee mobs away with fetters (5/5). That's the best dg build with magic setup imo.

 

If you can't get high life steal then Illumination will kill you in higher level dungs, agroing all mobs on you. So you could try Light Defense, I haven't really tried that skill - didn't even buy it, because I didn't like its numbers. I saw from other paladins, it doesn't really help that much. Moreover, in your 1h build, its % increase won't be too effective, because you already have high Def, and after a certain point the more def you get the less effective it gets. So don't be tricked with that 40% def addition on the base defense. It could mean only +~5% def or so. That's why I don't like it, and it is bad.

 

And about Sacred Shield, it is literally the worst Expert. As far as I remember, it depends on your HP (Pala is the lowest HP tank, ironically). It absorbs very little damage and has very high cd of 40 secs.

 

And yes, Banner's damage stacks, but the buffs don't. 

Thx a lot. I got it now. 4/4 Banner and 4/4 Illumination.

Now I hv 2 more questions:

 

1.How much life steal do I need? An what I mean by that is actually: What`s the lowest % of ls that I really need in order to survive. I plan to hv around 22% life steal. (PS: Still wanna know the minimum required )

2.What gear should I use? I plan to amp my armour at around +7. I thought about getting full Golden Dawn + Mace [Magic DMG] + Shield + Life Steal Accessories [EX1]. Some players advised me to mix Kronus stuff with Golden Dawn because I get more HP [EX2]. But doing so, I lose a lot of def. What should I do ?

EX1 : http://ws-db.ru/calculator#23883 {4152hp, 6843PHdef, 3200Mdef}

EX2 : http://ws-db.ru/calculator#23890 {4207hp, 4900PHdef, 2800Mdef}

50 hp difference...rly?

 

[Gladiator 1145]

The second build has a spear, while the first one has shield, of course you will lose Def and HP won't differ much.

Anyways, I'd suggest replacing rings with Skyfire rings for magic and HP, keeping the life steal enchant.

I'd go with the second build with Kronus gear, they are easier to get, the boot with mana regen is expensive and rare too.

And why don't you work on block? I'd rather go with block enchants on shield and belt, it is way more convenient that defense especially that you already have a block armor.

So it'd be something like: http://ws-db.ru/calculator#23898

[Dtravsh47 0]

4 hours ago, Gladiator said:

The second build has a spear, while the first one has shield, of course you will lose Def and HP won't differ much.

Anyways, I'd suggest replacing rings with Skyfire rings for magic and HP, keeping the life steal enchant.

I'd go with the second build with Kronus gear, they are easier to get, the boot with mana regen is expensive and rare too.

And why don't you work on block? I'd rather go with block enchants on shield and belt, it is way more convenient that defense especially that you already have a block armor.

So it'd be something like: http://ws-db.ru/calculator#23898

Wow, somehow I didn`t spot that spear there. wtf 

 

Ok so I`m gonna go with this one : http://ws-db.ru/calculator#23904 . I still lose 1k def. So I`ll end up with 5401 PDef and 3079 MDef. Is that ok for a tank? I`ve seen better :3.

Edited July 11, 2017 by Dtravsh47
Meh

[Morgana 780]

6 hours ago, Dtravsh47 said:

Wow, somehow I didn`t spot that spear there. wtf 

 

Ok so I`m gonna go with this one : http://ws-db.ru/calculator#23904 . I still lose 1k def. So I`ll end up with 5401 PDef and 3079 MDef. Is that ok for a tank? I`ve seen better :3.

Depends on your level. If it's lv28 pve set then it's kinda weak

[Gladiator 1145]

6 hours ago, Dtravsh47 said:

Wow, somehow I didn`t spot that spear there. wtf 

 

Ok so I`m gonna go with this one : http://ws-db.ru/calculator#23904 . I still lose 1k def. So I`ll end up with 5401 PDef and 3079 MDef. Is that ok for a tank? I`ve seen better :3.

It's 6.4k man, you need eyeglasses or something?

And yeah, as gear selection, it is the best imo if you can't afford craft gears. More def comes with amps, 6.4k is for +7s which is good.

[Dtravsh47 0]

19 hours ago, Gladiator said:

It's 6.4k man, you need eyeglasses or something?

And yeah, as gear selection, it is the best imo if you can't afford craft gears. More def comes with amps, 6.4k is for +7s which is good.

It`s not. calculated it with less amp

[Pecleb 62]

2 hours ago, Dtravsh47 said:

It`s not. calculated it with less amp

?

when i use the link build 28883 got 6,401def

build 28904 got 6843def

 the 400def difference comes mainly from the pdef on shield instead of block

 

both builds are +7 with same buffs

 

And btw as gladiator said always enchant shield with block at high lvl, u can see here that 400def differrence is 0.1% here, while u got 2.6% difference. Keep in mind that block is also very useful to progress faster in dgs, since u aren't slowed when u block the hit.

At lvl 13 def can be good, but it's the last lvl i guess, and only i low-mid amp: if i enchant shield with block on lvl 13 pala i get 1.3% block, while i go pdef i get 2% more pdef (the bosses i farm are only pdmg, same for dgs, that's why here i don't care about mdef. cuz of course block is very good since it works same for p and m attacks unlike def)

[Dtravsh47 0]

On ‎7‎/‎13‎/‎2017 at 0:24 AM, Pecleb said:

?

when i use the link build 28883 got 6,401def

build 28904 got 6843def

 the 400def difference comes mainly from the pdef on shield instead of block

 

both builds are +7 with same buffs

 

And btw as gladiator said always enchant shield with block at high lvl, u can see here that 400def differrence is 0.1% here, while u got 2.6% difference. Keep in mind that block is also very useful to progress faster in dgs, since u aren't slowed when u block the hit.

At lvl 13 def can be good, but it's the last lvl i guess, and only i low-mid amp: if i enchant shield with block on lvl 13 pala i get 1.3% block, while i go pdef i get 2% more pdef (the bosses i farm are only pdmg, same for dgs, that's why here i don't care about mdef. cuz of course block is very good since it works same for p and m attacks unlike def)

Ik dude :D. I made another build with less amp and lost 1k def xD.

I didn`t post that build here 

Edited July 15, 2017 by Dtravsh47
Meh

[Dtravsh47 0]

I just thought about changing the build a little bit. What if I use 3/4 Banner , 3/4 Illuminiation and I now I can 3/4 another skill like Call or Shield.

What do u think? Is it worth it? Is it a big difference between 3/4 and 4/4?

 

 

Late night question 

[Gladiator 1145]

I'm actually running 3/4 Banner, Illumination and Harad Call at the moment, it's pretty good for full magic PvE and PvP build. For Dungeons, you deal lots of damage and Harad Call stuns very well. For physical damage, and pure PvP, you can max Banner, and Call for pvp or Light defense or Sun Seal for pve.

Edited August 9, 2017 by Gladiator

[breakout 3]

paladin  noobb tanker 

 

 

 

only tanker warden 

[Ayuy 0]

Focus MDMG.full LS.use shield.

Skill build.

Expert ilum4/4.light def4/4.

Heal 5/5.Aura3/5.just No.1 skil 5/5

U can solo all bos map4.

But u up +8-+10 all equiping.

Banner 1/4 :v

 

Edited April 12, 2018 by Ayuy