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The attack against Charlie Hebdo, attacks in refugee camps, the crash of the Russian plane in Egypt, yesterday's attacks in Paris are all related to the radical Islam and the ISIS.

I know it is a very sensitive topic, still I want you to express your opinion about it.

Please let's keep the peace here.

 

So. In my opinion, what happens nowdays in the world and in Europe is not accidental and not the first try of the radical Islam world to conquer Europe. Did you know that from the 1400's, the Turkish had the goal to conquer Europe? Well, because of the radius they could go in a year was pretty small, that's why the last country they could reach was Hungary. We remained under the control of them for more than 200 years, when finally we could drive them out of Europe and the Islam's conquest failed.

And this is the second try. With one difference. Instead of armed soldiers, refugees come to Europe. And I am not talking about Syrians who really need help. But the economic refugees. Who attack borders and make fights with the police. Naive leaders of countries like Germany dream about integrating them. You know what? They will never be integrated. Refugees come from a completely different world, where they have other laws and traditions. Our world is foreign and wierd for them. Radical Islamist don't fear about killing people for their religion and opinion. And what happened in January, or yesterday are proof for what I'm saying.

To be honest I wish those attackers would be caught and killed like they killed innocent people. Though these terrorists believe dying in a terrorist attack is a glorius and heroic death.

I am sorry for these word, I'm just reallt upset how leaders of our community are blinded and welcome foreign people like best friends, also these attacks shocked me.

Feel free to comment on what I wrore, and write your own opinion too.

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Yes, Germany might be naive about thinking all the refugees could be integrated but there are people who really need help. Still I think they slowly should cool down and close the borders since we already have I don't know how many thousands of refugees. Fact is the number of crimes will increase, not to all immigrants can be jobs offered and of course they can't even speak a little bit of German so they won't be able to do any normal job anyway.

Besides I'm really asking myself how all the immigrant are supposed to find a home. The current situation is that all refugees either live in tents or sport halls. At least that's how it is like in my home town in Germany.

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As a Syrian Muslim, I'm really feeling sorry for the Europeans, in general, and the French, in specific. And even more sorry, that those terrorists are just ruining the Muslims image in the whole world...

When you ask someone about Muslims, the first thing would come to his mind is bombs, and that just hurts.. Many think what they do is called "Jihad" and it is stated in Quran, but no, The "Jihad" that is stated in Quran is spreading Islam NOT by fighting but by Advocacy and statement proof and evidence, or in a simpler way, by stating evidences from Quran and Sunna(Prophet Mohammed's sayings) And if you look at Islam's beginning history, you can see that Prohpet Mohammed(Peace be upon him) wasn't a leader of his people, that means, he wasn't, and couldn't force Islam to them, he was just stating beliefs, some were believing, and many others were denying and also, fighting because they weren't accepting his ideas, so fighting back in this case is "Jihad". What ISIS does is, they just go and bomb themselves between people, and that's called in Islam "Unjust Murder" and punishment would be eternity in Hell, another verse states that killing one person unjustly is just like killing every single human being, whatever his religions was, on top of that, suiciding is also forbidden  ..I just wanna clarify something, Islam was never urging to force the religion on someone. What those terrorists do have nothing to relate to Islam. And if you look at the origins of the "Islam" it means in Arabic peace. I hope the upcoming posts don't blame the religion as a whole.. I mean come on, there is extremism and terrorism in every religion. And for your information, ISIS killed many, way too many, Muslims, acusing them for being non-Muslims. And even earlier, they were entering houses as "Parasites" with no right, and raping and killing women and children inside.

I live in Saudi Arabia, and ISIS is so hated here, although Saudi Arabia is one big Islamic country.

I totally agree with you about those " economic refugees", all what they think of is, themsleves.. They make it worse not only for Europe, but only for normal students, like me, who just want to go to Germany or anywhere else in Europe to continue their higher studies, yes, because they provide a way better education and chances.

Things are just going out of control, and so sad what happened in the latest days.

 

Edited by gladiator

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Closing european borders, like whats happening now is basically jumping in our own mouth. It's the exact opposite of what European Union and Schengen stand for, so its pointless and quite a dumb move. Makes people insecure and they dont trust the EU as a united organisation anymore. Instead of each country solving the refugee issue on its own borders, once they reach them, europe should collectively send forces to Greece where it all begins. Since Greece is the entry point for refugees into the EU, thats where the problem solving should start. Instead, we waste money on fences, cause political disputes and overall chaos on each border... If you represent something that represents unity, then stand for that damn unity.

Edited by Chickenfly

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Refugees first came from the Mediterranian zone, Spain and Italy in particular. And else there is Mother Russia.

 

Am not talking about those who go with boats and aim for sicily and get rescued by the coast guards. I mean the current wave, thats going from turkey to greece, then through macedonia, serbia and finally here, croatia. Only to be sent or blocked further more.... 

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Guerilla militia have always been a problem in history, it's almost impossible for a foreigner to distinguish the good from the bad. Isis and such are like spoiled lonely kids, they act badly when the want important people to give them attention.

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Guerilla militia have always been a problem in history, it's almost impossible for a foreigner to distinguish the good from the bad. Isis and such are like spoiled lonely kids, they act badly when the want important people to give them attention.

The different between kids and ISIS is that kids are innocent when they do bad things.

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The immigrants are being heavily discriminated, and because they have nobody to talk to, they lash out, which causes events like this happen. This is the same situation as a kid who is bullied finally snaps and shoots up school.

 

The best solution is accepting more immigrants, to give them more friends who aren't xenophobix racists like all europeans.

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The immigrants are being heavily discriminated, and because they have nobody to talk to, they lash out, which causes events like this happen. This is the same situation as a kid who is bullied finally snaps and shoots up school.

The best solution is accepting more immigrants, to give them more friends who aren't xenophobix racists like all europeans.

Sorry, but I know many German people who help the refugees and support them :) Edited by Julie

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The immigrants are being heavily discriminated, and because they have nobody to talk to, they lash out, which causes events like this happen. This is the same situation as a kid who is bullied finally snaps and shoots up school.

 

The best solution is accepting more immigrants, to give them more friends who aren't xenophobix racists like all europeans.

I'm sorry, but letting more in results in more fights etc.

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I'm French, I live in Paris. Yesterday I lighted a candle for this carnage.

 

Peoples are angry, and afraid. They're making of amalgams. Stop associating muslims, islamists and terrorists. These peoples have different pratices.

 

Terrorists aren't invading europe at moment. They're trying to scare us, and to divide us. We must stand united.

Yet, 127 French died. Many injured will follow and grow this number.

But everyday, Syrians civils die, from the bombing raids (especially Russian one), or from extremists.

 

They took a lot of risks to come here. Fleeing from wars AND economic situation (but both are linked).

After the war, Germany invited a lot of Turkish, because they needed a lot of young workers. And these Turkish are now INTEGRATED to Germany.

 

But if you guys reject them, don't help them feeling integrated, they will turn as terrorists.

Just like a lot of European did, trying to join Islam in syria, because they didn't felt integrated anymore in their homecountry.

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But if you guys reject them, don't help them feeling integrated, they will turn as terrorists.

Just like a lot of European did, trying to join Islam in syria, because they didn't felt integrated anymore in their homecountry.

Wisdom speaks here.

However, I think integrating them is the worst idea, and an outdated useless idea of liberalism. The best solution would be to fight against ISIS, back at the home of the millions of immigrants who come to Europe, making total chaos and people fear them, because they are foreign, with literally no identity.

Closing borders is only the solution for making these people search for another way to enter our community, and, also not really approved by the liberalist West. I know as a Hungarian, how it is to have 10 thousand immigrants on a train station blocking the way, shouting, I know how it is like to be the bad boy of the world just because we are trying to do something with these people. I was on the border to help immigrants, we gave them food and clothes, and I could clearly see who was from the war zone and who wasn't. Those who were in danger, accepted the food, those who not, dropped it. Do you know how it feels to see the food you bought from your money on the ground, being stepped on? These people don't need friends but need our money (again, not talking about war zone people).

ISIS, using this chaos, sent people to make even bigger chaos. This is not a joke. One of the sniped attackers was a migrant who was registered in Greece. He had literally nothing to block the way from Greece to France, because of the Schengen agreement. And he is not the only one out there who came with the same will: scare us. The person who says they made this attack because we, Europeans discriminated them and are not friendly with them, is a naive person and has lack of knowledge.

We should fight against ISIS, in Syria and the surrounding countries. We should help these migrants in their home country. Only this is how the wave of millions can be stopped. Economic migrants wouldn't come to Europe if everything was alright back at home. The problem is that they feel unsafe and see that Europe has a high standard of living and creating a stable home here may be easier.

I am really sorry for the people in France, I can imagine how painful is it for them right now, and I hope leaders of Western Europe finally realise that our Prime Minister was right. Letting everyone to come in is unright.

My friends. I am sorry to say, but I know that Friday's happenings are not the last ones. England, France, Germany, are all in danger. Peace be with you, and God helps all of you to avoid these terror attacks.

Edited by BTminBT

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Someone detonated firecrackers in Paris, people were scared out of their minds. I find it hilarious, everyone keeps saying nice leftist things until their lives at danger, when they start cursing entire Syrian faction.

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What now? Dumbass ppl who were using france's flag cuz of the shit  that happened there. yes i called it shit.

 

in mexico a lot of inocent ppl die everyday cuz of drugs and you don't see anyone using mexico's flag.

in Colombia is the same.

even now a lot of  inocent ppl in that country died cuz of france attack,but everyone is like idgaf about them like if they weren't human.

 

Again i say is USA's fault for killing Saddam Hussein.

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http://vigyazo.blog.hu/2015/11/15/sokk_europa_megdobbenessel_lesz_ongyilkos

 

I wrote this article. Unfortunately it is in Hungarian, but I also made a brief English translation. Enjoy!

 

 

Shock: Will Europe commit suicide with being dismayed?

Europe is dismayed. How could this happened in the cultural center of Europe? Cold-blooded terrorist kill people who are having fun. And Europe is dismayed, people are dismayed, politicians are dismayed. I ask: Why? Haven't you expected this? The attack is terrible, but it wasn't the last. Raymond Ibrahim, islamspecialist claims that the moral of this attack is the fact that these kind of attrocitacions will continue until our leaders can do something instead of being dismayed.

"What is dismaying is exctly the fact that many people are still dismayed about the happenings."

When someone is dismayed, it means that they don't know how something could happened. Does this mean that those obvious reasons, which are the spreading teachings of the radical Islam among Muslims, noone realised and noone wants to prevent?

Unfortunately only a few people know that dismaying is not the good rection. We have to act and fight aginst the radical Islam and migration. Otherwise these types of attacks will continue.

Something like this. Take the consequences.

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it should be considered as one,Why? becuase Hussein even as a bad person, had  the religion under his control and working,but when he was killed, islam terrorist started to celebrate cuz they were scared of Hussein,but something that some ppl don't know is that Hussein was USA's marionette,they used hussein to start a war with kurd,they practically gave the guns to hussein to the start the war and 148,000 ppl died, after that he killed 148 shiites so he was condemned,but the real reason of why they killed him was cuz of the war against the kurdish cuz if he would have said that usa ordered him to attack kurdish usa would have been in a real problem.

 

 

Edited by baskentliii

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it should be considered as one,Why? becuase Hussein even as a bad person, had  the religion under his control and working,but when he was killed, islam terrorist started to celebrate cuz they were scared of Hussein,but something that some ppl don't know is that Hussein was USA's marionette,they used hussein to start a war with kurd,they practically gave the guns to hussein to the start the war and 148,000 ppl died, after that he killed 148 shiites so he was condemned,but the real reason of why they killed him was cuz of the war against the kurdish cuz if he would have said that usa ordered him to attack kurdish usa would have been in a real problem.

First part seems accurate, the marrionette is just conspiracy. I think.

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First part seems accurate, the marrionette is just conspiracy. I think.

 

 

Agreed, but its a fact that the US have the power to stop all of this in a few days. So much invested in military industry, and none of it used... Same as many other wars where US were this ''lead supporter'' and they did nothing, like wars in yugoslavia... Thing is that they have interests, so they aren't getting too involved.

Like i saw this news report, of Obama saying how border closing and refusing refugees in EU is not an option and that everyone has to take them in. If that is how he feels, why doesn't he take some refugees to the USA then?

Do I think that all those conspiracy theories are right, like such about Saddam? Nope.  But do I think that some events in history could have been averted, if the USA hadn't had some personal agenda going on in the background? Most definitely.

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What now? Dumbass ppl who were using france's flag cuz of the shit  that happened there. yes i called it shit.

 

in mexico a lot of inocent ppl die everyday cuz of drugs and you don't see anyone using mexico's flag.

in Colombia is the same.

even now a lot of  inocent ppl in that country died cuz of france attack,but everyone is like idgaf about them like if they weren't human.

 

Again i say is USA's fault for killing Saddam Hussein.

The difference here is that the people can decide on their own if they want to take drugs or not.

And do you know why people use the French flag to think of it?

Europe is a union. We avow for each other, we fight for each other. Europe is a small continent with many small countries, therefore we are all very close to each other, especially the western countries. You don't know how close the French- German friendship is so don't you dare to call us dumbasses just because we worry about our loved neighbour country and show our friendship, respect and compassion.

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The difference here is that the people can decide on their own if they want to take drugs or not.

And do you know why people use the French flag to think of it?

Europe is a union. We avow for each other, we fight for each other. Europe is a small continent with many small countries, therefore we are all very close to each other, especially the western countries. You don't know how close the French- German friendship is so don't you dare to call us dumbasses just because we worry about our loved neighbour country and show our friendship, respect and compassion.

When i talk about drugs in mexico im not talking about the ppl who use it, im talking about the ppl who died everyday for those wars between those Drugs cartels.

 

not only ppl from that country were using the flag as profile pic  and i never typed the name ''Germany'' in any of my replies so if you take that as an insult its ur own problem not mine.

 

Yesterday france attacked isis and took it's revenge and guess what? a lot of innocent ppl died and I bet you haven't seen anyone with a picture of their flag.

 

this is funny, just now The company of soda ''Pepsi'' just posted something on facebook saying ''Thank you for using our colors we know you all love us '' lol 

 

PS: I still think that the flag think is stupid.

 

 

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Edited by baskentliii

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When i talk about drugs in mexico im not talking about the ppl who use it, im talking about the ppl who died everyday for those wars between those Drugs cartels.

 

not only ppl from that country were using the flag as profile pic  and i never typed the name ''Germany'' in any of my replies so if you take that as an insult its ur own problem not mine.

 

Yesterday france attacked isis and took it's revenge and guess what? a lot of innocent ppl died and I bet you haven't seen anyone with a picture of their flag.

 

this is funny, just now The company of soda ''Pepsi'' just posted something on facebook saying ''Thank you for using our colors we know you all love us '' lol 

 

PS: I still think that the flag think is stupid.

I took Germany as one example for all the countries which are using the French flag.

France is a very respected country, that's why a lot of people from many different and also from non European countries show their respect and compassion by using the French flag and also their support. If I couldn't find any other way I would call France an "innocent" country which got attacked by the IS once again for no reason. In a short time it was the victim of these coward attacks twice. Still they stand tall and strong and that's what I am respecting them for.

 

And about Pepsi: If they really did so, then they are a bunch of retarded and egoistic people who can't take all this serious and don't understand what is happening right now.

Sorry for my bad words.

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Lol using a French flag as your profile picture is absolutely useless. Instead, be responsible and prevent events like this. It is easy to cry gdafterwarrds, why no do something against it?

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The difference here is that the people can decide on their own if they want to take drugs or not.

And do you know why people use the French flag to think of it?

Europe is a union. We avow for each other, we fight for each other. Europe is a small continent with many small countries, therefore we are all very close to each other, especially the western countries. You don't know how close the French- German friendship is so don't you dare to call us dumbasses just because we worry about our loved neighbour country and show our friendship, respect and compassion.

EU is a love union? I'd rather call it an 'Economical Union'. Sorry, but this is kinda true. Or?

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EU is a love union? I'd rather call it an 'Economical Union'. Sorry, but this is kinda true. Or?

Yes, Economic plays a big role here but some countries do have a really close friendship nowadays, like France and Germany :)

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Funny joke.

Not funny at all. You don't live there, you don't know the community and lifestyle :P Tell me one thing they have done to get attacked by the IS so often .-.

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