At the moment, the class combines too many strengths at once. The Barbarian has extremely high survivability, strong crowd control, and high damage output, while remaining highly effective even when using a two-handed weapon. Normally, choosing a two-handed weapon means sacrificing part of your defense in exchange for more damage, but in the Barbarian's case that trade-off barely seems to exist.
The bleeding mechanics are another major concern. The Barbarian can apply Bleeding through multiple sources. Abilities and talents such as Bloodletting and Spiked Armor allow the class to keep Bleeding effects active almost constantly. On top of that, Spiked Armor punishes enemies simply for attacking the Barbarian. Even ranged classes can receive Bleeding just for dealing damage from a safe distance. What is the logic behind punishing a player simply for attacking?
In addition, the class has Last Wish, a passive ability that significantly increases survivability when health becomes low. Combined with Vampirism, resistance to crowd control effects, and the benefits provided by the Bull branch, the Barbarian becomes extremely difficult to kill or control.
Many players try to explain the Barbarian's strength as being solely the result of player skill or equipment quality. However, the issue appears to go much deeper than that. When a class simultaneously has massive survivability, high damage, strong control, Bleeding effects, resistance to crowd control, and multiple defensive mechanics, the discussion is no longer just about player skill—it is about a class with an exceptionally powerful toolkit.
The result is a class that can tank, control, and deal significant damage all at the same time. While other classes must usually sacrifice one aspect to excel in another, the Barbarian seems to have access to everything at once.
This raises a simple question: is there any other class in the game that combines this level of survivability, damage, crowd control, and defensive utility all at the same time? If so, then what exactly is the Barbarian's real weakness?

If this barb has full books then its not that good. Look at boss hp barely decreasing. It's the small monsters that give barb healing from vamp. Templar, warden and mage can do this too.

31 minutes ago, Balabak said:

If this barb has full books then its not that good. Look at boss hp barely decreasing. It's the small monsters that give barb healing from vamp. Templar, warden and mage can do this too.

The guy is standing there literally afk with an extremely low def setup and only dying once his gears break. No other class could do this. If this was with a full tank setup it would be understandable, but that's a 2h build and 0 heavy gears on. The guy doesn't even have a minion on for extra healing

Edited June 6Jun 6 by vavavi

28 minutes ago, Balabak said:

If this barb has full books then its not that good. Look at boss hp barely decreasing. It's the small monsters that give barb healing from vamp. Templar, warden and mage can do this too.

The audacity... man 

13 hours ago, absolut said:

At the moment, the class combines too many strengths at once. The Barbarian has extremely high survivability, strong crowd control, and high damage output, while remaining highly effective even when using a two-handed weapon. Normally, choosing a two-handed weapon means sacrificing part of your defense in exchange for more damage, but in the Barbarian's case that trade-off barely seems to exist.
The bleeding mechanics are another major concern. The Barbarian can apply Bleeding through multiple sources. Abilities and talents such as Bloodletting and Spiked Armor allow the class to keep Bleeding effects active almost constantly. On top of that, Spiked Armor punishes enemies simply for attacking the Barbarian. Even ranged classes can receive Bleeding just for dealing damage from a safe distance. What is the logic behind punishing a player simply for attacking?
In addition, the class has Last Wish, a passive ability that significantly increases survivability when health becomes low. Combined with Vampirism, resistance to crowd control effects, and the benefits provided by the Bull branch, the Barbarian becomes extremely difficult to kill or control.
Many players try to explain the Barbarian's strength as being solely the result of player skill or equipment quality. However, the issue appears to go much deeper than that. When a class simultaneously has massive survivability, high damage, strong control, Bleeding effects, resistance to crowd control, and multiple defensive mechanics, the discussion is no longer just about player skill—it is about a class with an exceptionally powerful toolkit.
The result is a class that can tank, control, and deal significant damage all at the same time. While other classes must usually sacrifice one aspect to excel in another, the Barbarian seems to have access to everything at once.
This raises a simple question: is there any other class in the game that combines this level of survivability, damage, crowd control, and defensive utility all at the same time? If so, then what exactly is the Barbarian's real weakness?

Many of the player base already pointing out the imbalance. I too doesnt understand what is the true role of this class except being a "demi god". I mean look at him standing as a tank without using any shield, dealing damage (ALL THAT WHILE AFK!). Ah, and even using full light merman set haha (not even heavy merman gear) 

Edited June 6Jun 6 by Jollier

13 hours ago, absolut said:

Normally, choosing a two-handed weapon means sacrificing part of your defense in exchange for more damage, but in the Barbarian's case that trade-off barely seems to exist.

There's punishment that comes from using berserker skill, which make enemies deal 15-20% more damage (depending on talent) and less HP.

 

13 hours ago, absolut said:

Even ranged classes can receive Bleeding just for dealing damage from a safe distance.

I think bleeding alone isn't that bad, people has life steal these days

 

13 hours ago, absolut said:

When a class simultaneously has massive survivability, high damage, strong control, Bleeding effects, resistance to crowd control, and multiple defensive mechanics, the discussion is no longer just about player skill—it is about a class with an exceptionally powerful toolkit.
The result is a class that can tank, control, and deal significant damage all at the same time. While other classes must usually sacrifice one aspect to excel in another, the Barbarian seems to have access to everything at once.

Cannot do everything at once, with bull branch you deal very low damage, while on mid branch you make nice damage but become more vulnerable, you cannot use 2 branches at same time

 

13 hours ago, absolut said:

This raises a simple question: is there any other class in the game that combines this level of survivability, damage, crowd control, and defensive utility all at the same time?

Mage.

1 hour ago, Jollier said:

Many of the player base already pointing out the imbalance. I too doesnt understand what is the true role of this class except being a "demi god". I mean look at him standing as a tank without using any shield, dealing damage (ALL THAT WHILE AFK!). Ah, and even using full light merman set haha (not even heavy merman gear) 

Coming to items, heavy items doesnt necessarily mean "more tanky" because of life steal comes double from crits which is hard to achieve on heavy gears, same as using 2h deals more damage than 1h + shield, which is again, more gain from life steal, and this works for every class same way

5 minutes ago, Bromancé said:

Coming to items, heavy items doesnt necessarily mean "more tanky" because of life steal comes double from crits which is hard to achieve on heavy gears, same as using 2h deals more damage than 1h + shield, which is again, more gain from life steal, and this works for every class same way

Generally you have to actually click skills to get that ls though.

8 hours ago, Bromancé said:

Coming to items, heavy items doesnt necessarily mean "more tanky" because of life steal comes double from crits which is hard to achieve on heavy gears, same as using 2h deals more damage than 1h + shield, which is again, more gain from life steal, and this works for every class same way

Which proves my point. How can his lifesteal (AS A TANK) covers all that damage taken while AFK? 

Simply unfair

9 hours ago, Bromancé said:

Mage.

The audacity to say mage 

 

Let mages afk. I wanna see them do that

Edited June 6Jun 6 by Jollier

8 hours ago, Jollier said:

Which proves my point. How can his lifesteal (AS A TANK) covers all that damage taken while AFK? 

Simply unfair

Doesn't make damage, would you call it unfair if other class did triple of this dmg using 1 skill, with same books? Probably not.

 

8 hours ago, Jollier said:

Let mages afk. I wanna see them do that

Let mages use 1 skill that deals triple of the dmg

 

8 hours ago, Jollier said:

The audacity to say mage 

Maybe it is just coincidence there is 35-40 mages on top guilds? Nah dont think so.

8 hours ago, Bromancé said:

Doesn't make damage, would you call it unfair if other class did triple of this dmg using 1 skill, with same books? Probably not.

 

Let mages use 1 skill that deals triple of the dmg

The point is that barbarians is afk. And you kinda miss the point there. You see any active skill that barbs using? 

 

8 hours ago, Bromancé said:

Maybe it is just coincidence there is 35-40 mages on top guilds? Nah dont think so.

Yes no other class cant tank that kind of mobs while afk? And you had the audacity to say mage?. Now imagine if that barb starts using skills, use heavy armor etc. The point is BARBARIANS SHOULD NOT BE A DAMAGER BUT TANKS!! And you comparing damager to Tanks in terms of damage proves how broken that class is

11 hours ago, Jollier said:

Yes no other class cant tank that kind of mobs while afk? And you had the audacity to say mage?. Now imagine if that barb starts using skills, use heavy armor etc. The point is BARBARIANS SHOULD NOT BE A DAMAGER BUT TANKS!! And you comparing damager to Tanks in terms of damage proves how broken that class is

barbarian is either damager or tank, but not both at same time, do you see how much he is even hitting? I don't know if you acknowledged this dudes book arsenal, critical might, 10% cd, secret vamp, cant see other's but I bet 20+ books. Get same books, if you fail you can say it is unfair

 

11 hours ago, Jollier said:

The point is that barbarians is afk. And you kinda miss the point there. You see any active skill that barbs using? 

I see that point and telling you it is as unfair than using just 1 aoe skill that does higher damage than that.

Edited June 7Jun 7 by Bromancé

3 hours ago, Bromancé said:

barbarian is either damager or tank, but not both at same time, do you see how much he is even hitting? I don't know if you acknowledged this dudes book arsenal, critical might, 10% cd, secret vamp, cant see other's but I bet 20+ books. Get same books, if you fail you can say it is unfair

Hes not hitting anything. Hes just standing there and dealing damage and somehow survive.

 

3 hours ago, Bromancé said:

I see that point and telling you it is as unfair than using just 1 aoe skill that does higher damage than that.

1 aoe skill did more damage that an afk barbarians? As it should be. But barbarians being that tanky in 2h weapon + full light armor set? Thats broken. No mater how you sugarcoat it. It is broken.

5 hours ago, Jollier said:

1 aoe skill did more damage that an afk barbarians? As it should be. But barbarians being that tanky in 2h weapon + full light armor set? Thats broken. No mater how you sugarcoat it. It is broken.

His hp jumping quite critically on video, so calling it tanky armor-wise is not correct, calling someone tanky just because armors is something that is before life steal existed. Mage can be tanky even with cloth items, maybe you didnt know about this?

3 horas atrás, Bromancé disse:

His hp jumping quite critically on video, so calling it tanky armor-wise is not correct, calling someone tanky just because armors is something that is before life steal existed. Mage can be tanky even with cloth items, maybe you didnt know about this?

Okay, since we're talking about comparison, let's look at the data.

 

The barbarian has damage reductions because it's a tank class, and even if it doesn't improve these abilities, it would already achieve a 45% reduction in damage received. And when using Berserker, the damage is increased by 20%. The mage has no damage reduction, and its only defense is the barrier, which, when focused on damage, a mage doesn't improve, thus losing a large part of its defensive capacity. Therefore, while a barbarian receives 45% less damage and inflicts an area bleed that can stack up to 4x on the same target, being 20% of its damage in a PASSIVE way, the mage deals 37% of its magic damage with the aura, being able to hit up to 10 monsters, and its defense, which is the barrier, is only activated when receiving damage greater than 20% of its life, and it only stays active for 0.3 seconds and returns after 4 seconds. During this time, the mage is vulnerable to everything, while a barbarian is not.

 

So it's not fair to compare those two.

 

Not even a paladin focused on defense has the survivability of a barbarian.

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Bromancé said:

His hp jumping quite critically on video, so calling it tanky armor-wise is not correct, calling someone tanky just because armors is something that is before life steal existed. Mage can be tanky even with cloth items, maybe you didnt know about this?

maybe you are the one who doesnt know. but mage cant do what that barb do while afk

1 hour ago, FIRMIANO said:

Okay, since we're talking about comparison, let's look at the data.

 

The barbarian has damage reductions because it's a tank class, and even if it doesn't improve these abilities, it would already achieve a 45% reduction in damage received. And when using Berserker, the damage is increased by 20%. The mage has no damage reduction, and its only defense is the barrier, which, when focused on damage, a mage doesn't improve, thus losing a large part of its defensive capacity. Therefore, while a barbarian receives 45% less damage and inflicts an area bleed that can stack up to 4x on the same target, being 20% of its damage in a PASSIVE way, the mage deals 37% of its magic damage with the aura, being able to hit up to 10 monsters, and its defense, which is the barrier, is only activated when receiving damage greater than 20% of its life, and it only stays active for 0.3 seconds and returns after 4 seconds. During this time, the mage is vulnerable to everything, while a barbarian is not.

 

So it's not fair to compare those two.

 

Not even a paladin focused on defense has the survivability of a barbarian.

i still dont understand how people still try to deffend barbarians while it surely is the most broken classes up to date. maybe they just enjoyed their dominance? or is it just pure ignorance. well only them knows!

On 6/7/2026 at 7:37 PM, FIRMIANO said:

Okay, since we're talking about comparison, let's look at the data.

 

The barbarian has damage reductions because it's a tank class, and even if it doesn't improve these abilities, it would already achieve a 45% reduction in damage received. And when using Berserker, the damage is increased by 20%. The mage has no damage reduction, and its only defense is the barrier, which, when focused on damage, a mage doesn't improve, thus losing a large part of its defensive capacity. Therefore, while a barbarian receives 45% less damage and inflicts an area bleed that can stack up to 4x on the same target, being 20% of its damage in a PASSIVE way, the mage deals 37% of its magic damage with the aura, being able to hit up to 10 monsters, and its defense, which is the barrier, is only activated when receiving damage greater than 20% of its life, and it only stays active for 0.3 seconds and returns after 4 seconds. During this time, the mage is vulnerable to everything, while a barbarian is not.

 

So it's not fair to compare those two.

 

Not even a paladin focused on defense has the survivability of a barbarian.

 

 

 

Defence-focused barbarian trying to attempt to do same, but while this paladin doesn´t even bother use heal this one did. This is ordinary barbarian with equal+- book library, just as the paladin, I dont think there was much difference. Address the right problem rather 

 

On 6/7/2026 at 7:37 PM, FIRMIANO said:

45% reduction in damage received.

periodic damage reduction that works with cd, but apparently you dont bother to find out.

On 6/7/2026 at 7:37 PM, FIRMIANO said:

when using Berserker, the damage is increased by 20%

And when using Berserker, the enemies damage to barbarian is increased by 15% and HP reducted bt 15%, and you dont mention this? Wow.

 

23 hours ago, Jollier said:

i still dont understand how people still try to deffend barbarians while it surely is the most broken classes up to date. maybe they just enjoyed their dominance? or is it just pure ignorance. well only them knows!

 Meanwhile there is 1.5x more mages than barbarians, I wouldn´t say this bro.

6 hours ago, Bromancé said:

 

 

Defence-focused barbarian trying to attempt to do same, but while this paladin doesn´t even bother use heal this one did. This is ordinary barbarian with equal+- book library, just as the paladin, I dont think there was much difference. Address the right problem rather 

 

periodic damage reduction that works with cd, but apparently you dont bother to find out.

And when using Berserker, the enemies damage to barbarian is increased by 15% and HP reducted bt 15%, and you dont mention this? Wow.

 

 Meanwhile there is 1.5x more mages than barbarians, I wouldn´t say this bro.

The barbarians in the video posted by the thread starter doesnt use any heals. 

Just now, Jollier said:

The barbarians in the video posted by the thread starter doesnt use any heals. 

Original poster made whole topic with Chatgpt of barbarians PvP abilities and linked an PvE video, didn't include the negative effects/punishments of the skills on the description, it would been more relevant to post Alexdragon video than PvP one if talking about PvP. My video was just so called *paid actor video* just like the paladin one, that doesnt give clear picture of anything. Barbarian on the video however, has arsenal of books and buffs used, and just because one player is able to tank such monsters with 100M book arsenal doesn't necessarily mean it is overpowered

4 hours ago, Bromancé said:

Original poster made whole topic with Chatgpt of barbarians PvP abilities and linked an PvE video, didn't include the negative effects/punishments of the skills on the description, it would been more relevant to post Alexdragon video than PvP one if talking about PvP. My video was just so called *paid actor video* just like the paladin one, that doesnt give clear picture of anything. Barbarian on the video however, has arsenal of books and buffs used, and just because one player is able to tank such monsters with 100M book arsenal doesn't necessarily mean it is overpowered

Barbarians is overpowered. The last wish skill which gives them a really great boost on survivability while maintaining TONS of damage. I think that class took his role being "Tank" as a literal meaning. A full steel-tungsten plated armor that fires Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot left and right. You deffended it because you enjoyed it. 

And you keep pointing why most of player base is Mage? Because we cant play barbarians in Sentinel/elf side. I know Barbarians and Dk are broken but i simply dont want to belong in that faction. In Sentinel side people prefer to play Mages but it certainly is not broken. Different from Barbarians which got a super survivability and then you will add that barbarians into a party consist of another 3 barbarians, 1 deathknight, 1 shaman while using Greater Potions of Life Force, castle buffed and minions. Its all done. My point is just because you enjoyed being barbarians doesnt mean its not broken. Not because you are bad in your built and doesnt understand your class means its not broken (by the same logic as yours). I play beastmasters and i have 28 book. Still cant beat barbarians party consist of 5 books tops in catacomb.

Edited June 9Jun 9 by Jollier

7 hours ago, Jollier said:

The last wish skill which gives them a really great boost on survivability while maintaining TONS of damage.

Has cooldown, you forgot mention

 

7 hours ago, Jollier said:

I know Barbarians and Dk are broken but i simply dont want to belong in that faction

 Are you referring to barbs and dks with 34 catacomb sets? Almost every class is op with them, gl with that comparison

8 hours ago, Jollier said:

In Sentinel side people prefer to play Mages but it certainly is not broken

not a mage player I see. Bookless mages are pain even booked mc-characters. Mage's popularity in active players is huge for a reason, and that isn't just because class is "good", it is overpowered.

 

8 hours ago, Jollier said:

Different from Barbarians which got a super survivability and then you will add that barbarians into a party consist of another 3 barbarians, 1 deathknight, 1 shaman while using Greater Potions of Life Force, castle buffed and minions. Its all done

 

8 hours ago, Jollier said:

I play beastmasters and i have 28 book. Still cant beat barbarians party consist of 5 books tops in catacomb.

Perhaps you're lacking some buffs/guild buffs yourself/in your team then or overall class balance is bad for fight. Elves are very competive to run over MC classes.

34 minutes ago, Bromancé said:

Perhaps you're lacking some buffs/guild buffs yourself/in your team then or overall class balance is bad for fight. Elves are very competive to run over MC classes.

my guild holds T1 Castle, and we are all using castle potions etc, while the other party are holding T2 and some other T3 castle also with full buffs.

 

35 minutes ago, Bromancé said:

Are you referring to barbs and dks with 34 catacomb sets? Almost every class is op with them, gl with that comparison

no i do not, im refering with barbarians with normal pvp books and some has 5 non class books with greatness mixed with heavy merman gears. 

 

36 minutes ago, Bromancé said:

Has cooldown, you forgot mention

cooldown will be finished after the barbarians uses greater health potions + area heal from shamans totem. (only doesnt work in arenas). 
 

 

38 minutes ago, Bromancé said:

not a mage player I see. Bookless mages are pain even booked mc-characters. Mage's popularity in active players is huge for a reason, and that isn't just because class is "good", it is overpowered.

i'm not but my party still can handle full booked greatness mage mixed with cloth mermans (most of mages pvp in my server use this mixed sets). sometimes we win sometimes we loses, but against barbarians party we mostly lose and never win but on special case we occasionally ended up  Draw (no ones get anything till times goes to 0)

В 06.06.2026 в 12:10, vavavi сказал:

The guy is standing there literally afk with an extremely low def setup and only dying once his gears break. No other class could do this. If this was with a full tank setup it would be understandable, but that's a 2h build and 0 heavy gears on. The guy doesn't even have a minion on for extra healing

 

Just a hint
 

 

21 horas atrás, Bromancé disse:

 

 

Um bárbaro focado em defesa tentando fazer o mesmo, mas enquanto este paladino nem se dá ao trabalho de usar cura, este usou. Este é um bárbaro comum com uma biblioteca de livros igual ou superior à do paladino; não acho que haja muita diferença. Abordar o problema certo é fundamental. 

 

Redução de dano periódica que funciona com recarga, mas aparentemente você não se dá ao trabalho de descobrir.

E ao usar Berserker, o dano dos inimigos contra o bárbaro aumenta em 15% e o HP é reduzido em 15%, e você não menciona isso? Nossa.

 

 Entretanto, há 1,5 vezes mais magos do que bárbaros, eu não diria isso, mano.

 

 

It's interesting how you say we didn't analyze the characters' abilities to try and defend how broken the barbarian is. Of course, I checked all the ability parameters, but if you analyze all the negative effects of the barbarian, they are insignificant when compared to the positive effects.
The barbarian in your video isn't focused on defense. Just using a shield doesn't mean you're focused on defense; if it worked that way, enchanters would be tanks.
But anyway, the barbarian in your video isn't +10 and doesn't even have 10% parry. While the Paladin in my video is +10, uses heavy equipment, and has a library of 17 classless books. Including the books: Physical Reinforcement, Magical Reinforcement, and Power of Life.
Even with all those books, the "mediocre" barbarian in your video still resisted even more than my Paladin. If you pay attention, the Barbarian receives 0 damage.
The combined damage from these mobs is equivalent to about 14,000 damage points, and the barbarian simply receives 0!
Do I even need to say anything? Does a barbarian ignoring that much damage seem normal to you?

 

Paladins don't use vampirism. They rely on their healing abilities. Surely, if this barbarian were using the Almahad mages' guild, he would become immortal.

1 hour ago, FIRMIANO said:

 

But anyway, the barbarian in your video isn't +10 and doesn't even have 10% parry. While the Paladin in my video is +10, uses heavy equipment, and has a library of 17 classless books. Including the books: Physical Reinforcement, Magical Reinforcement, and Power of Life.
Even with all those books, the "mediocre" barbarian in your video still resisted even more than my Paladin. If you pay attention, the Barbarian receives 0 damage.

 

Paladins don't use vampirism. They rely on their healing abilities. Surely, if this barbarian were using the Almahad mages' guild, he would become immortal.

That's because paladin sucks at tanking. The dev has designed paladin to be mediocre at tanking, support and damage. If you build tank then pala lose heal. If you build support then pala lose tankiness. If you build damage for pala then you lose both tankiness and support with mediocre damage. The current pve meta doesn't favor paladin in endgame content.

5 hours ago, Jollier said:

my guild holds T1 Castle, and we are all using castle potions etc, while the other party are holding T2 and some other T3 castle also with full buffs.

lvl 10 guild... xd people level up for reason to fight on cc, 7% accu and & resist make wonders, perhaps you should try on other guild

 

6 hours ago, Jollier said:

no i do not, im refering with barbarians with normal pvp books and some has 5 non class books with greatness mixed with heavy merman gears. 

And it is normal losing such fights on beastmaster, as it got huge nerf after being dominative healer and pvp dmging class on elf side, and again this is not a "if i cant kill this on my class it must be nerfed" because warspear doesnt rely on 1v1 which been said by developers.

 

6 hours ago, Jollier said:

cooldown will be finished after the barbarians uses greater health potions + area heal from shamans totem. (only doesnt work in arenas). 

maybe in a dream situation yes, but lets put it on a paper, this skill has 70sec of cooldown, so even with 100% cooldown (which is hard to achieve and requires full books if not sacrifacing on items) would give 35 seconds to enemy kill it, which is more than enough with fully focused party, so, maybe it is just your own team unable to fight and deal enough dmg.

7 hours ago, Bromancé said:

lvl 10 guild... xd people level up for reason to fight on cc, 7% accu and & resist make wonders, perhaps you should try on other guild

 

And it is normal losing such fights on beastmaster, as it got huge nerf after being dominative healer and pvp dmging class on elf side, and again this is not a "if i cant kill this on my class it must be nerfed" because warspear doesnt rely on 1v1 which been said by developers.

 

maybe in a dream situation yes, but lets put it on a paper, this skill has 70sec of cooldown, so even with 100% cooldown (which is hard to achieve and requires full books if not sacrifacing on items) would give 35 seconds to enemy kill it, which is more than enough with fully focused party, so, maybe it is just your own team unable to fight and deal enough dmg.

You expected a fully focused party in a fight with 3 barbarians that uses roars simultaneusly? Man no point in debating you. Hope barb will be nerfed so this game could functions as it mean to be. Lvl 10 guild with castle buff and 15 books out of 28 used. Get killed by a tank party? You know how stupid that sounds? Literally no damager there only 4 tanks 1 healer. 

2 hours ago, Jollier said:

You expected a fully focused party in a fight with 3 barbarians that uses roars simultaneusly? Man no point in debating you. Hope barb will be nerfed so this game could functions as it mean to be. Lvl 10 guild with castle buff and 15 books out of 28 used. Get killed by a tank party? You know how stupid that sounds? Literally no damager there only 4 tanks 1 healer. 

Wrong party choice from your side I assume, why to use bm if it's no good

thus, people have resist these days. What people telling me from 2 templars recycling "permastun" 

21 minutes ago, Bromancé said:

Wrong party choice from your side I assume, why to use bm if it's no good

thus, people have resist these days. What people telling me from 2 templars recycling "permastun" 

Templar stuns often resisted. And yes templar quite tanky in their magic branch but they dont deal much damage. Different from barbarians that keep maintaining their tanky attributes while dealing tons of damage.

My suggestion is make Last Wish skill only activate if barbarians use shield (unique skill to shield user only) and reduce stone skin effect by 15% when user uses 2 handed weapon. That way barbarians can still deal damage but lost some of its tanky attributes. Or going pure tank role.

On 6/6/2026 at 03.00, absolut said:

 

But back to topic. Show me other class who can survive this dungeon by standing still/afk until their equipments broke. 

On 6/10/2026 at 6:53 AM, Jollier said:

Templar stuns often resisted. And yes templar quite tanky in their magic branch but they dont deal much damage. Different from barbarians that keep maintaining their tanky attributes while dealing tons of damage.

templar stuns same resist chance than any other stun. barb cant be good damager while being good tank, and vice versa, you just imaginate it from seeing one barbarian doing dmg while other tanking. Or perhaps your party is just too weak/unbooked to fight, there is endgame elfside-players who wipe floor on barbarian parties.

 

On 6/10/2026 at 7:03 AM, Jollier said:

My suggestion is make Last Wish skill only activate if barbarians use shield (unique skill to shield user only) and reduce stone skin effect by 15% when user uses 2 handed weapon. That way barbarians can still deal damage but lost some of its tanky attributes. Or going pure tank role.

As 15% incoming dmg from enemy and 15% health reducement not enough? There are mages and rangers who can kill barbarians in 1-3 seconds already.

On 6/10/2026 at 7:32 AM, Jollier said:

But back to topic. Show me other class who can survive this dungeon by standing still/afk until their equipments broke. 

show me other class who tried this dg with these all books and is a tank class.

3 hours ago, Bromancé said:

show me other class who tried this dg with these all books and is a tank class

They died. And those who died doesnt make video. Why dont you try find one that can do it like in that video? You cant right?

5 hours ago, Jollier said:

They died. And those who died doesnt make video. Why dont you try find one that can do it like in that video? You cant right?

I don't think much people has critical might as a tank lol.

 

And yeah I couldn't even with loads of books in my barbarian all almahad guilds maxed. Being said, if 1 person can do that, doesn't necessarily mean it all must be too op.

 

Perhaps there will be limit on mage talent on next rebalance, but other than that, I don't see a problem (this is the only cause why he is able to afk😉)

1 hour ago, Bromancé said:

And yeah I couldn't even with loads of books in my barbarian all almahad guilds maxed. Being said, if 1 person can do that, doesn't necessarily mean it all must be too op.

Just because you cant do it. Doesnt mean all cant. But if 1 people can do it, it means all can (the potential to be broken is there!). 

On 6/10/2026 at 11:03 AM, Jollier said:

My suggestion is make Last Wish skill only activate if barbarians use shield (unique skill to shield user only) and reduce stone skin effect by 15% when user uses 2 handed weapon. That way barbarians can still deal damage but lost some of its tanky attributes. Or going pure tank role.

This suggestion is the best for balancing the game. But you dont like yoyr character nerfed haha. That suggestion im stating will keep barbarians at its original strength if he uses shield (which is pretty strong already but not to a point that its broken). And nerfed it when using 2 handed. Back to its tank role.

Edited June 12Jun 12 by Jollier

18 minutes ago, Jollier said:

Just because you cant do it. Doesnt mean all cant. But if 1 people can do it, it means all can (the potential to be broken is there!). 

It is not about potential, we could say on same logic you could be unbeatable if you got T5 books. 

 

22 minutes ago, Jollier said:

This suggestion is the best for balancing the game. But you dont like yoyr character nerfed haha. That suggestion im stating will keep barbarians at its original strength if he uses shield (which is pretty strong already but not to a point that its broken). And nerfed it when using 2 handed. Back to its tank role.

Barbarian does lose pretty much on 2h defence compared to shield, in fact, using shield is almost only option to stay alive versus mages rangers. As you might imagine, I say again: barb cant be good tank and good dmg dealer at once, it is a choice between them

25 minutes ago, Bromancé said:

It is not about potential, we could say on same logic you could be unbeatable if you got T5 books. 

 

Barbarian does lose pretty much on 2h defence compared to shield, in fact, using shield is almost only option to stay alive versus mages rangers. As you might imagine, I say again: barb cant be good tank and good dmg dealer at once, it is a choice between them

Still too strong in 2 handed. Thats why barbs uses 2h in catacomb. They doesnt bring a single shiled user just barb with 2h + shaman. They need to be nerfed in their 2h, if they want to be damager make them weaker in deffence. 

25 minutes ago, Bromancé said:

It is not about potential, we could say on same logic you could be unbeatable if you got T5 books. 

I still beat mage with t5 sea books. 

Edited June 12Jun 12 by Jollier

You keep deffending it because of your conflinct of interest. Since you plays barbarians. 

16 hours ago, Jollier said:

I still beat mage with t5 sea books. 

yeah, and if you dont beat 1 class only using same class, doesnt mean it is bad. this game is not for 1v1

16 hours ago, Jollier said:

You keep deffending it because of your conflinct of interest. Since you plays barbarians. 

 

16 hours ago, Jollier said:

Still too strong in 2 handed. Thats why barbs uses 2h in catacomb. They doesnt bring a single shiled user just barb with 2h + shaman. They need to be nerfed in their 2h, if they want to be damager make them weaker in deffence. 

it is strong in damage but dies quick. rangers, mages and other classes can burst one in seconds if focused on it some rangers do even 1 second combo, mages 2-3 seconds as well. Shield and mace is just low damage and tanky, which doesnt play much role on catacomb matches. The defence in 2 handed is weak, you are just not seeing it. Also block is disabled on 2h.

Edited June 12Jun 12 by Bromancé

On 6/9/2026 at 5:56 PM, FIRMIANO said:

The barbarian in your video isn't focused on defense

Full defence and tank build, more def than yours btw, checked my stats on video? 

 

On 6/9/2026 at 5:56 PM, FIRMIANO said:

If you pay attention, the Barbarian receives 0 damage.
The combined damage from these mobs is equivalent to about 14,000 damage points, and the barbarian simply receives 0!
Do I even need to say anything? Does a barbarian ignoring that much damage seem normal to you?

If skill happens once in 50-70 seconds and on maxed character and 4/4 skill, yeah I would call it normal. Paladin shield doesnt make you receive 0 dmg? 

 

On 6/9/2026 at 5:56 PM, FIRMIANO said:

But anyway, the barbarian in your video isn't +10 and doesn't even have 10% parry

Full +10, barbarians doesnt need parry, they prefer block. 

 

On 6/9/2026 at 5:56 PM, FIRMIANO said:

Even with all those books, the "mediocre" barbarian in your video still resisted even more than my Paladin.

Maybe because I got more defensive books than you, basical physical and magic defence, all vamp ones, Power of life and so on. If you call someone "mediocre" it would be you on this comparison