Mjtov 11 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Sorry for my weak english Lets start with map1 I came back after a while and saw the good changes in the map dgs that became easier for newbies But map bosses they are still a little hard for newbies that dont know what to do Add helper items when we get the quests if necessary Special items which cant be sold or thrown away. like quest items and disappear by cancelation of quest ( Pots. Minions... or special summons like second boss of forsakens but stronger ) For other maps too But about map2 and ayvo ( map4 ) dgs The biggest problem the difference. map1 dgs are solo but other maps not Add 'AI' characters to these dgs for main quests so that they complete the party For example 2 players one dmg one healer. 3 'AI's added tank dmg and healer ( or dmg ) Or 3 players two dmg one tank. 2 'AI's added healer (shaman) and healer (necro) ( or dmg ) Make them like real players with balanced stats who dies without heal i mean not too strong not too weak This learns them and does not let them get stuck And bosses like map1 And finally add a coach who explain the game and everything in it that helps newbies understand the game ( He/She can be a character from the game like rouge for mc. I saw her photos in the game or dk for forsaken and...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcbref 609 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 you want everything in the game to be soloable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zsefv 37 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Jcbreff said: you want everything in the game to be soloable? Also, if you have an empty guild, add AI to fight for you in GvGs triggeredAF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcbref 609 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 57 minutes ago, zsefv said: Also, if you have an empty guild, add AI to fight for you in GvGs Yeah and make that ai good enough to get in atleast top 10 if not top 3 And in mermen obviosuly stage 2 always and sometimes win on that too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjtov 11 Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 11 hours ago, Jcbreff said: you want everything in the game to be soloable? Its for quests only not for all times And quests are for players to be experienced in addition to the game story How a newbie without any idea should know he has to make a party or whatever So its quest and coach role Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjtov 11 Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Jcbreff said: Yeah and make that ai good enough to get in atleast top 10 if not top 3 And in mermen obviosuly stage 2 always and sometimes win on that too Ha ha ha😐 How did you learn to count? From the air? Or teacher and homework? I did not talk about everything. just main quests not GvG or anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjtov 11 Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 6 hours ago, zsefv said: Also, if you have an empty guild, add AI to fight for you in GvGs Yeah they play better than you Good idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortuno 56 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Just give me one of those t5 city guards with 30k HP to follow and help me around Pirate archipelago, and I'll be a happy camper. hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcbref 609 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Mjtov said: Its for quests only not for all times And quests are for players to be experienced in addition to the game story How a newbie without any idea should know he has to make a party or whatever So its quest and coach role First you suggestvthey make map 1 bosses have some items or other that helps you kill it, then youbwant map 2 and auvo dgs to have ai to help ypu so you dont have to find party and then you wakt tjhose bosses to be like map 1 5 hours ago, Mjtov said: Its for quests only not for all times And quests are for players to be experienced in addition to the game story How a newbie without any idea should know he has to make a party or whatever So its quest and coach role If you reach ayvo or even map 2 without knowing how to make party then what are you doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjtov 11 Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Jcbreff said: First you suggestvthey make map 1 bosses have some items or other that helps you kill it, then youbwant map 2 and auvo dgs to have ai to help ypu so you dont have to find party and then you wakt tjhose bosses to be like map 1 Im not talking about all the bosses Map1 first two bosses to learn how to pass them with pots minions or party And next maps like this bcuz new grade bosses more hp more dmg Im not saying make the game easy Im saying teach them what to do 5 hours ago, Jcbreff said: If you reach ayvo or even map 2 without knowing how to make party then what are you doing So what does coach do? So what do they do for the next bosses? Coach teaches them how to use pots and minions with the first two and then party with a small help of pots and anything that not enough to pass the boss without party. For life saving only if necessary And about dgs. map1 it has solo dg Solo dgs learned Now team dgs So they teach how to do this with 'AI' at their easy level of every dg and get to know the dg And next ones small help Again ONLY FOR MAIN QUESTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcbref 609 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 42 minutes ago, Mjtov said: ONLY FOR MAIN QUESTS most of bosses and dgs are yellow quests so they are "main" 44 minutes ago, Mjtov said: Solo dgs learned Now team dgs the only difference is that you have someone to keep alive or someone who keeps you from dying depending on your class, other than that every dg is just "kill x amount of certain mobs" or "kill boss" and if dg has puzzle element then you're meant to figure it out yourself instead of ai helping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjtov 11 Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Jcbreff said: 2 hours ago, Mjtov said: Now team dgs the only difference is that you have someone to keep alive or someone who keeps you from dying depending on your class, other than that every dg is just "kill x amount of certain mobs" or "kill boss" and if dg has puzzle element then you're meant to figure it out yourself instead of ai helping Ok and someone who has no idea about this kind of games? It seems you do not want new players in the game Almost all games have guides for who plays the game first time Anyway just a suggestion ty for your attention 1 hour ago, Jcbreff said: most of bosses and dgs are yellow quests so they are "main" Yea for one time not for spamming it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zsefv 37 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Mjtov said: Ok and someone who has no idea about this kind of games? It seems you do not want new players in the game Almost all games have guides for who plays the game first time I think that the quests/dgs are pretty understandable since all the veterans in this game were at once newbies, and they didn't need additional help. Actually, the game was much harder in the past for a new player. If that doesn't prove that they want new players to join and stay, then nothing does. There are also a lot of players that are willing to help, I know one myself that is using his free stamina to help others instead of spamming high tier dgs. 18 hours ago, Mjtov said: Yeah they play better than you An AI should in theory play better than anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjtov 11 Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 hours ago, zsefv said: An AI should in theory play better than anyone Not really 3 hours ago, zsefv said: I think that the quests/dgs are pretty understandable since all the veterans in this game were at once newbies Yea ask them how they pass bosses and dgs first time I remember map1 dgs were in teams i pass all missions except dgs and a few bosses i skipped them to get stronger and soloing them 3 hours ago, zsefv said: There are also a lot of players that are willing to help, I know one myself that is using his free stamina to help others instead of spamming high tier dgs. I stucked 5 days on tt 3 days garden 5-7 days dg yea helping but not always I finished all quests (camp4) of map2 and then with my other character help i did them Only water element with help of a farmer 3 hours ago, zsefv said: Actually, the game was much harder in the past for a new player. If that doesn't prove that they want new players to join and stay, then nothing does I said it got better Like map1 dgs and quest rewards but only map1 3 hours ago, zsefv said: I think that the quests/dgs are pretty understandable Yea ofc but each dg has a special thing or way to complete it Like bull heads heroic bg i think im not sure. Worms tt. Techno... what about coach? To say you can craft like that. Amp like that and... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcbref 609 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 13 hours ago, Mjtov said: To say you can craft like that. Amp like that and... I dont know how much more guidance do you need than this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjtov 11 Posted September 22, 2021 Author Share Posted September 22, 2021 10 hours ago, Jcbreff said: I dont know how much more guidance do you need than this I talk about newbies. where the game said where to buy craft license and it tells you that there are different types or use a repair scroll its better than repairing at npc or what is war or about mermem repu that gives bonuses or put stronger weapon on right hand... You look at yourself that you know everything about the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcbref 609 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 6 hours ago, Mjtov said: I talk about newbies. where the game said where to buy craft license and it tells you that there are different types or use a repair scroll its better than repairing at npc or what is war or about mermem repu that gives bonuses or put stronger weapon on right hand... If those newbies explore the game and can read then they will certainly find these Using repair scrolls instead of npcs is only cheaper after your gear isnt map 1 tier items And does war reallybneed explaining when you can always ask in the world chat Newbie and mermen reputation shouldnt fit in the same sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjtov 11 Posted September 23, 2021 Author Share Posted September 23, 2021 13 hours ago, Jcbreff said: Newbie and mermen reputation shouldnt fit in the same sentence Why? A newbie doing events with his guild that gives mermen repu and he spends repu s on talents 14 hours ago, Jcbreff said: If those newbies explore the game and can read then they will certainly find these He is a Newbie not game tester😐 14 hours ago, Jcbreff said: Using repair scrolls instead of npcs is only cheaper after your gear isnt map 1 tier items 👍 And no info for it 14 hours ago, Jcbreff said: And does war reallybneed explaining when you can always ask in the world chat This is true but its not better to completly explained by the game itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcbref 609 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 25 minutes ago, Mjtov said: Why? A newbie doing events with his guild that gives mermen repu and he spends repu s on talents if newbie is doing events that give mermen rep then surely he has it explained to him by guildmate or someone 25 minutes ago, Mjtov said: He is a Newbie not game tester if a newbie misses information already in the game then you can blame them for not knowing, those are literally information you get as long as you have "show help" turned on 28 minutes ago, Mjtov said: And no info for it its called math 28 minutes ago, Mjtov said: This is true but its not better to completly explained by the game itself? how would you explain war: "destroy enemy flags before they can destroy yours"? and if someone would guide those newbies to forum they would find this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjtov 11 Posted September 24, 2021 Author Share Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, Jcbreff said: if newbie is doing events that give mermen rep then surely he has it explained to him by guildmate or someone if a newbie misses information already in the game then you can blame them for not knowing, those are literally information you get as long as you have "show help" turned on its called math how would you explain war: "destroy enemy flags before they can destroy yours"? and if someone would guide those newbies to forum they would find this Coach has it all in one place Why do you make such a simple improvement so difficult? You say we should read 10 books instead of 1 Simple universal and accessible which opens every time you reach the case Edited September 24, 2021 by Mjtov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcbref 609 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Mjtov said: Coach has it all in one place Why do you make such a simple improvement so difficult? You say we should read 10 books instead of 1 Simple universal and accessible which opens every time you reach the case Simple improvement? Removing requirement for teamplay from dungeons and bosses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjtov 11 Posted September 24, 2021 Author Share Posted September 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Jcbreff said: Simple improvement? Removing requirement for teamplay from dungeons and bosses? I talking about coach Teamplay will be destroyed with a little help? 😐 The 'AI' is only for ez mode of dgs with main quest (TT. RG. BG.) that can be changed with gifts for who will help like repu or knowledge or something else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcbref 609 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, Mjtov said: The 'AI' is only for ez mode of dgs with main quest (TT. RG. BG.) so people would still need to complete normal and hard legit? 13 minutes ago, Mjtov said: Teamplay will be destroyed with a little help? yes, if that ai is better than human players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zsefv 37 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Mjtov said: gifts for who will help like repu or knowledge or something else That will be exploited to the maximum. All you need is a char that has the quest for dg. You complete the dg, cancel the quests and your party get extra things (rep, knowledge or something else) and you repeat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjtov 11 Posted September 25, 2021 Author Share Posted September 25, 2021 11 hours ago, Jcbreff said: so people would still need to complete normal and hard legit? Yea with a little help like a minion or pots that previous quest gives but now they know dg mechanisms and style of it. so its easier for quest +learning 11 hours ago, Jcbreff said: yes, if that ai is better than human players I said balanced like normal players not op not weak if they dont receive heal they will die and for tank like this no aggro teammates will die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjtov 11 Posted September 25, 2021 Author Share Posted September 25, 2021 9 hours ago, zsefv said: That will be exploited to the maximum. All you need is a char that has the quest for dg. You complete the dg, cancel the quests and your party get extra things (rep, knowledge or something else) and you repeat it. First of all rewards received after quest completion its like dynamic quest of t5 enter the party with quester you will get it and disappear when leaving. The helper will complete his task when the quester has received the quest reward and its for a few bosses and dgs with main quest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggeredAF 138 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Mjtov said: First of all rewards received after quest completion its like dynamic quest of t5 enter the party with quester you will get it and disappear when leaving. The helper will complete his task when the quester has received the quest reward and its for a few bosses and dgs with main quest You suggestions do make sense but overall I think that most ws players would find that sort of help really boring. It's way more interesting to figure things out on your own but idk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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