Gladiator

Hey, let them! The russian post has 25 pages of comments under it, why can't we have a more active community. I think people arguing is great for the forum culture and admins should encourage it because it promotes forum activity. I remember one of the more active days, I would have back and forth arguments why Paladin should be buffed, and look at us now, stronger than ever, Paladins really owe me a lot of the buffs. Hell, I might start doing that again. I went to check and I think I haven't really gotten into it with someone since 2020, it was about palas being able to self-cast sacred shield (*cough* @Higgings), and guess who won. Keep arguing guys! You never know what might get devs to buff your class.

Classic fake sentinels allying with a legion guild

I hear you, even if magic 1h paladin is like one of the worst builds offensively, but being "unkillable" even with no damage hasn't stopped people from complaining about Wardens back in the day. And I feel like with something like 15% Parry, 25% block, 600-700 magic, 10k HP, 40%+ damage reduction (MM and 30% HP Inner Force) might be getting close to that "unkillable" status. Now granted, every class is seemingly getting stronger, so we still need to see how it plays out, at the end of the day, reapers and like you said, chieftains are still a thing. Btw, I totally see people trying to make it work with magic hammers in some situations since it works with parry as well.

I wonder how long it will take for this to be nerfed.

This is kinda... Scary..

Oh, wow... Interesting... Cool, cool.. Nice. Talk about a meta shift. I'm interested to see how this will work. Will all amount of healing in the entire party be counted and every 2 seconds 8% of that healing that happened in the 2 seconds applies to all characters? If so, it can kinda get pretty juicy. Do all healing effects get counted? Do heal multipliers affect that? Do non-skill heals get counted? Does the healing of this talent count? That would be a crazy circular bug. So many questions, can't wait to test it out in the closed testing that I'm definitely going to be a part of!

Sorry to burst your bubble, it's not only 112 players in the ss, but also it's fake/photoshopped... Here for example, it's impossible to have players stand like this in the game.

It's actually not the case with moon. It does break those cc effects and it's really only a problem for PvP (was too lazy to make PvP screenshots)

I've been maining Beastmaster recently, here is a few related memes: I totally didn't misclick Order to Attack Come on! It's too early... Why does it do this

Sorry but how are you comfortable sitting like that?

Ok... Either Paladins have not tried at all or the class is just the slowest in dungeons. Obviously it's not the latter, you'd think Paladins can have close time to that of a mage. We could at least beat Druids, for gods sake! Embarrassing... Come on guys, get it together... (for me, I was playing my Beastmaster mostly)

@Dr StrangeIs the guide going to moved to the Paladin's section?

Yeah I give up..

I suggest instead of hints like this you just post a little bit more "zoomed out" version of the location.

I'll wait 1hr before answering next time

EZ, next.

Yeah I came to the same conclusion. Ultimately, spring melee weapons (10% atk strength) with Ferocity enchants are the best in terms of dealing damage. I also compared them to staffs. Here are my numbers even though they much less finalized and visually appealing. The calculations are based on level30 cap vs 40% magic and physical defense and 40% resilience. (The spear is with magic accessories!) I do think staffs are very underrated. The double pene staff provides close damage to the hammers when including auto attacks, which, in my opinion, isn't really the case in practice since you're better off keeping your distance from enemies with melee weapons in most situations. The way I see it, I look at moon's damage being basically doubled with staff, which would beat the hammer. Now if I really need to deal more damage, since staff's damage can be insufficient at times, especially vs high heal parties, then I'd rather use spears since kiting doesn't matter as much and keeping Moon alive is easier anyway. I'm mostly talking about Arena btw.

Yeah, I just tested with 31 pdmg and 31 mdmg (0 gear) and got 118 which is 60.65 more than the calculated damage. Tested calculator with 60.65 base damage and the values are correct now! I guess there is indeed a base damage of ~60 for 5/5 Moon. Thanks!

There is no right or wrong. But I would recommend alternating points between Heavenly Light and Purifying. At level 10, you should have 5/5 Heavenly Light and 3/5 Purifying. Which one gets there first, is up to you and how you feel you're performing while doing quests (if you're too slow killing monsters then get the next point on purifying and so on). After that, you can start putting points into Fetters of Justice till 5/5 (lvl18). In reality you could even start by maxing out Purifying and Heavenly Light to make questing easier/faster, but if you're going for a PvP build at the end, you'd will need to reset the skills, since you need maxed Fetters.

In efforts to make a calculator for Moon's damage, to figure out the best weapon for Beastmaster, I've come across some discrepancies with Moon's damage. But maybe I'm missing something? The calculated value from these magic and physical power values would result in physical power 1328.35 for Moon. Applying 2% attack strength, the damage would become 1355. But as you can see, Moon is hitting 1416. I looked for any other damage modifiers that could be applying. There is this 1%, since the dummy is considered a "blue" monster. The calculated value would still not become 1416. I tested other situations, including different weapons, different magic and physical damage values, and tested in PvP. It's always not as depicted in-game with error margins varying from -1% and up to -10%, meaning the calculated value is always less than the real value: Here, comparing Moon's damage to auto attacks. Showing that auto-attack calculations are correct, but not Moon's. Meaning that the method of calculating damage should be correct, unless Moon's damage applies differently with damage stats (i.e. ferocity, resilience, defense, attack strength, etc...) So what am I missing?

How can you know it's intentional? This has nothing to do with ganking at crossings. It doesn't make any sense to have moon not attack enemies here, when they're clearly "attack-able"

I haven't read shit besides the OP but I think I know the gist of it. There seems to be a general lack of understanding when it comes to class balance. Every time, discussions boil down to d*** measuring contests of comparing different classes and different skills that should not be compared. I've been guilty of that myself in the past. It always comes down to arguments like Chieftain and Mage are similar right? But why this one has more AoE damage? Why this one has more stuns, why this has more of that and bla bla bla. Well, no Chieftain and Mage should not be compared. When it comes to balance between sides in the game, the focus seems to be rather on skill-based, not class-based levels, IMO. Meaning: If one side has a prominent skill, i.e. Harad's Banner, they introduce a skill that is analogous but not similar to the other side, i.e. Chieftain's Swooping Army. Warlock used to be dominant in AoE control with Dark Circle and Zone of Weakness, they introduced Templar with skills of similar effect - Reverse Flow and Touch of Truth. Now one can come here and say WHAT? Templar has more heal and is much tankier than Warlock, how dare you say that's balance?! That's not the point of the balance though, it is to balance the skills and not the classes! Warlock and Templar are still different classes in their own rights! Their differences are still compensated by other classes on each side. So, to the OP: You can't just compare Swooping Army and blazing ground or warlock's pool. In fact, pool and blazing ground are a perfect analogue, hence why both don't stack! Why not compare it to Banner? Banner damage also stacks, just like swooping army. Just because Mage and Chieftain have parallel skills (Resistance skills, and buff removing skills), doesn't mean they have to be compared in all other skills.

I'd argue staff is better than hammer in a lot of cases (PvP/Arena vs melees mostly), since with the hammer, yea you get more damage from Moon, but you don't really get to use auto attacks, since you would be vulnerable to getting controlled and killed. With staff, you get auto attack as much as you want while keeping your distance, that basically compensates the weaker Moon damage. Also if the Moon dies, you're not as vulnerable and limited while you wait the CD.

You're right! Thanks for pointing it out. Fixed!