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    when can we expect a change to rogues?

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    Posted · Edited by Bruce Wayne

    15 hours ago, Higgings said:

    On the other hand, annihilating a player from nowhere (maybe a ranged one) during a massive fight is indeed playing a part in GvG, although not a direct part. 

    I totally agree rogues and seekers are assassins. But trust me this scenario can go sideways for the following reasons;

    1. CC of enemy 

    2. DETECTION POT

    3. Long ranged control with detection pot

    4. The player controlling the rogue before the player dies

    when can we expect a change to rogues?

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    4 minutes ago, Bruce Wayne said:

    *ROGUES ARE GOOD IN 1v1 SITUATIONS,BUT ARE DEFEATABLE EVEN IN THAT SITUATION.

    *ROGUES ARE GOOD IN ARENA UNTIL DETECTION POT

    These points were made since people shouldn’t assume rogues are 100% undefeatable in 1v1 and arena situations and are not doing 100% EXCELLENT in PVE. When people start assuming that, they will come to a conclusion that every character cannot have every aspect of the game. 
    By acknowledging that rogues have major weaknesses even in the place they are supposed to outplay other characters is why they need some love in GVG area.

    I hope I have cleared ur doubts.

    sorry if I have hurt anyone while expressing my thoughts.

    when can we expect a change to rogues?

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    15 hours ago, Fabr said:

    I think this is all a waste of time.

     

    Before it was a discussion of how bad rogue was, then came comparison with other classes, then came the discussion of skill numbers that one side has and the other doesn't.

     

    Basically they say "rogue is bad" because they die easily even with pvp set and 60% dodge, because they are stunned, because another class does something better than rogue, or even because the kick in the back is resisted, because there is no anti stun or attack force, simply no argument. What was supposed to be a discussion of rogues has turned into a discussion of "legion classes don't have that".

     

    Seems like they want to win only using 1 skill, want to be more defensive than tank classes, and want to take damage compared to the seeker just because the rogue doesn't have skills the other class has, or because the other class does better. They always want to compare rogue with bd, and one even said that parry is better than dodge.

    How does a rogue with 60% dodge more easily, since he has skill that reduces accuracy by 45%, and it's very difficult to achieve 25% accuracy with gear, even putting on helmet and gloves with precision and precision crystals on everything? Why then after the back kick adjustment that let the skill reduce accuracy to negative, did everyone suddenly start using precision gear and precision crystals on everything, just to fight rogues? Why are they using pot to see invisible rogues when rogue is so bad? The topic author's knowledge of rogues is also questionable, he stated that dodge build is useless. So why ALL pvp rogues in the game are build dodge? Obviously there is something wrong with his rogue..

     

    Bro did you really go through the entire thread?

     

    The author, other people, forum mod, house flies, mosquitoes, crows, dinosaurs and some other species on earth have agreed that;


    *ROGUES ARE GOOD IN 1v1 SITUATIONS,BUT ARE DEFEATABLE EVEN IN THAT SITUATION.

    *ROGUES ARE GOOD IN ARENA UNTIL DETECTION POT

    *ROGUES GVG SKILLS ARE NON EXISTENT 

    *ROGUES NEED SOME BUFF IN GVG AS GUILDS ARE KICKING ROGUES IN EU EMERALD 

    *ROGUE DOESNT HAVE TO BE AS GOOD AS BD OR ANY OTHER CLASS FOR THAT MATTER 

    *ROGUE JUST NEED A SIMPLE PATCH IN GVG ASPECT OF THE GAME (don’t get scared already like @triggeredAF)

    *THAT GVG PATCH DOESN’T NEED TO BE VERY STRONG TOO, JUST A SMALL GVG COMPATIBLE CHANGE WILL GO A LONG WAY.

     

    bro even after this if u still keep repeating 60% dodge, 1skill win, negative accuracy etc I think you need English lessons. Just my opinion.

     

     

     

     

    P.S. 

    While analyzing the skills of a class you have to take in consideration the environment it has. We have to take into consideration the skills of all other classes, since this is a mmorpg. So in my opinion it’s normal to compare the number of skills one side has and it’s strength.

     

    when can we expect a change to rogues?

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    1 hour ago, triggeredAF said:

    Maybe you're the one complaining about rogues being weak at GvG because you have no clue how to play?

    I strongly disagree

    I myself is a decent rogue player maxed out, and I asked all top rogues in us saffire they face same issue when it comes to gvg. 

    1 hour ago, Kaesarz said:

    If you want to get good at gvg just pick another class dude

    What good is a damage class which cannot realise its damage, just gets stunned and dies like a mosquito.

    when can we expect a change to rogues?

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    Posted · Edited by Bruce Wayne

    26 minutes ago, triggeredAF said:

    That's your problem. You chose to be useless by picking that sort of skill build.

     

    Bro have you ever played a rogue??? You sound like you don't even recognise the skills rogues have and just wanna nerf rogues because you can't Improve on yourself. Where as we are maxed rogues talking about true limitations of the character. Please don't spoil the usefulness of the forum. I see the forum as a place to communicate with the Devs. Ofcourse your opinion are welcome, but before speaking here I would request you to think what u speak.

    when can we expect a change to rogues?

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    Posted · Edited by Bruce Wayne

    13 hours ago, Fabr said:

    He has 3 stamina stacks, but they can be removed with a simple negative effect, your group can play aoe skills with debuffs to remove them

    By that time the skill will almost cd or the druid or pala along with the bd will heal or shield him.

     

    13 hours ago, Fabr said:

    Shaman has a very strong aoe heal that heals 1k400 per 3 segs with castle pot for each ally, is that weak? And he has another skill that decreases damage by 50% and removes negative effects.

    How on earth does it compare with 6 heal skills and more than 4 control skills of druid? It's like comparing bow and arrow( heal skill) with atomic bomb ( literally saving u and ur ally from death even though ur enemy has reduced ur hp to 200 or less). Everyone can clearly see the bias in ur statement, I wish you too can.

     

    13 hours ago, Fabr said:

    Mcs don't have support skills that save someone from death, but they do have for survival.

    Ur statement contradict ur statement. 

     

    13 hours ago, Fabr said:

    no elf can reduce damage by 50%, reduce magic def by 80%, or reduce penetration by 25%.

    And there is bd mage warden who can chill and resist all these skills lmao. And the amount of damage bd dish out being a tank hybrid!!!! My god!!!!

     

    13 hours ago, Fabr said:

    The devs will see this in their rational analysis.

    Ofcourse they wil :)

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    51 minutes ago, Fabr said:

    Even if you're a bd, rushing in a crowd is suicide, you'll be an easy target after you stop running. His shield even helps a little, but 1 hits hard and already breaks. And the parry only works against melee classes, it's an easy target for boss, hunter, shaman and padlock, not to mention the parry (skill) only gives 5% on 5/5, and on average the parry you get with pvp equipment is 15%, while dodge works against any attack and even some stuns, and you can get easy dodge with rogue skills and equipment (you can put dodge crystal on rings), reaching 60% or closer.

    Probably someone will say that bd can use set 32, yes he can and it changes the situation, but that's because he's technically a tank himself, but he doesn't have the defense of a tank. A unique approach skill he has is rush, and using that means he'll be putting himself at risk for damage. So if you are rogue and want to play as a BD, you are playing wrong.:snack-crazy-rabbit-emoticon:

    Bro the support system mc has and elf has is very different if you think about it.

    Mc don't have pala shield which can absorb 10k hp and druid halo skill. Shaman just have 8 sec of 50% damage reduction, one weak aoe heal and one heal. Where is some what similar version of pala shield in mc ? No tank can save a teammate from dying than paladins. Bd with resist is almost immortal when paired up with above mentioned defence buffs from other classes. They just destroy everything in their way. Think about it bro.

    I hope the Dev's do rational analysis and come to a good conclusion.

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    52 minutes ago, Fabr said:

    If you want to be defensive like a tank being a dmg class, you better choose another class to play.

    I think then everyone should delete their chars and play BD lmao. Nice reasonable comment bro. No sarcasm intended trust me.

    6 hours ago, vavavi said:

    mean, 4/4 tt, 4/4 absolute reflex, 4/4 throwing knife, 5/5 kick, 3/5 dodging, 5/5 gouge is literally max stuns and max dodge

    I think rogues are nothing without exterm.

    when can we expect a change to rogues?

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    Posted · Edited by Bruce Wayne

    On 8/17/2021 at 9:37 PM, Fabr said:

    He has more survival than hunter or seeker because he can have very high dodge and decrease enemy accuracy by 45% and can leave with negative stats, isn't that defensive enough?

    Bro imagine your only defensive skill being resisted and u getting roasted even though u have 60% dodge 

    Just imagine.

     

     

    On 8/17/2021 at 11:44 PM, vavavi said:

    Rogue literally has the highest pvp dmg output from any class *while still having a viable resi set*(except maybe a charmer with rage crit relic on and multiple dogs up). You get 70% speed, without using a single speed enchant, while having max dodge, 2 stuns(1 of which heals), and a gouge that lasts about a year.

    Bro do you play some other game and confuse it with warspear?

    In warspear the skill points are limited.

    If u get dodge build then say good bye to stuns.

    If u get stun build say goodbye to dodge and die like a pussycat without any defence. Shamans aren't druids to keep teammates immortal.

    Be rational while you talk please, it's a request.

     

    On 8/18/2021 at 8:05 AM, just Ryan said:

    68%speed dodge rogue, may I ask where did you put your other skill points? As I've said like 7 times already, you can't have the stuns and dodge together, you need to give up one for the other which is something I agree with. 

    Lmao I feel u bro

    On 8/20/2021 at 12:27 AM, Speedom said:

    Rogues are fine where they at. They play a critical role in gvg. They have the best survivability compared to any other light armor users and can output high dmg. 

    After reading this comment the author of this thread be like: bro am I a joke to you!????

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    Posted · Edited by Bruce Wayne

    Пожалуйста, не ослабляйте умение «Удар в спину», добавляйте дальность к этому умению и добавляйте сопротивление к абсолютному рефлексу.

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